AV Geeks Lunch with Mark Quigley

[Music] everybody buckle up you do [Music] [Applause] [Music] you're always started come on we play volleyball with it only if I can win did you call your mom before you left did she call the other day I wanted to talk to you not to you [Music] [Music] I'll be there in a minute sit back [Music] [Applause] [Music] you need bring in a protected line [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Applause] honey we're gonna have to cut the roof off to get you out but you'll be just fine look it'll only take a second to feel a small vibration and they'll be just a little noise like this okay [Music] [Music] release on yellow okay I'm ready yellow - OH [Music] okay [Music] thanks for standing by jeez I've never seen anything like that you guys got six people out of two wrecked vehicles in less than 12 minutes and the way you handled the victims we get a lot of bad accidents in the city you guys ever do any extra cating us no nothing like this we're just a small town mostly volunteers we got a record does the heavy stuff yeah some big clumsy ape and his kid we think they killed a guy last month hold him out of a wrecked car through a window you can't prove anything no our chief wants us to get more involved with Auto rescue we got some tools on order but nothing like the stuff you got yeah that was some demonstration you guys put on down there yeah but I went too fast for us to follow one run to it again look we're gonna be here for a while if you got a few minutes I'll run over some of the procedures hey can we stick around you sure as hell can okay [Music] the first thing we do when we get to the scene of an accident is to stabilize the victim we've got to stop any bad bleeding and make sure there's nothing obstructing their breathing in this case we didn't seem to have any of those problems what if any of the victims would have needed emergency first aid then we would have had to smash some glass to get to the victims fast we don't like doing that because people inside can get cut but if it's a matter of life and death we'll do it now in addition to stabilizing the victims we've also got to stabilize the vehicles in this case we built a box clear about of wooden blocks which we always carry on our truck we also could have stabilized a car by moving our vehicle against it and tying them together we prefer the cribbing because it keeps our truck mobile we would never under any circumstances shovel vehicle back on its wheels when there's people inside we could do more harm to the victims and the collision did now even if there's no indication of fire we keep a man standing by with a charge line just in case since we had you guys on the scene we were able to extricate the victims a bit faster if the car battery is easily accessible we disconnect it by yanking or unfolding the cables cutting them can sometimes produce a spark which could ignite any gas that's leaking what if you can't get at the battery then we don't waste any time with it if it gives us any trouble we've got a charge line ready what about the gas tank if it's leaking and we can easily get to the hole we use some sealing clay and we're always very careful with flares and if the tanks not leaking we just don't worry about it once the victims and vehicles are stabilized we're ready to start extricated if the vehicle is on its wheels or upside down we take them out through the doors if the vehicle is on its side we take them out to the roof nobody gets pulled through windows no how no way before we start tearing into a car we always try the door handles first sometimes even after the worst collision that door will still open normally usually they don't especially with late-model cars that have a steel safety latch couldn't you unlock the door by a breaking glass and lifting the latch even if the latch could be raised the door might still be jammed shut then you've risked cutting your victims for nothing besides with our tools we can open any door in a matter of minutes even if the roofs caved in we usually left the roof first it makes it easier to get the doors open we use a pry bar to peel back a little sheet metal so we can get the tools to bite in then we pop the door open using either the power jaws or the porter power wedge spreader combination I like the way those were color-coded yeah it really speeds the operation the man positioning the tools doesn't have to think about the names of the tools he just works by the color one of the pumpers keeps his butt pressed against the door so when the door pops loose it doesn't jump out and smack one of us once we get the door open we can widen the entry with either the power jaws or the come-along tool as soon as it's convenient we switch off the ignition just an added measure of fire protection for the victims these are scared hurt people they need all the help and comfort we can give them I don't give a damn who caused the accident drunk or sober stoned or straight there's still people in trouble even the little things are important like patting those kids heads to reduce the vibrations on them when we cut the roof we also try to protect the people outside the vehicle the ones who are watching the extrication they could be relatives of the victims if there's a lot of blood and gore or if any of the victims are dead we cover them before we take them out and we handle the body with the same care we use on a live person try to imagine how a child would feel seeing his dead mother pulled from a car like a side of beef so we take a little more time in the major traumas [Music] I was an air chisel wasn't it you were using the slice to the roof of the red car yeah that's a special tool operating on 300 pounds of pressure [Applause] we also could have done the job with the jaws [Music] what about a power saw well we always carry one and they're great for ventilation and non-auto expectation but they produce a lot of spark steady sheet metal dick the sawzall you got great use it but keep a fire water mist over the whole area what about a cutting torch well we carry those two but they're too great a fire hazard for the average auto extrication they're fine if you got a lot of heavy metal to cut like a semi or a railroad car but you don't need a torch to get into an automobile Helena probably use a can opener I notice you only cut the three sides of the room right we fold the fourth side gives us a smooth edge to work over I like the way you only move the people on back boards always it's too easy to turn an in-line fracture into a compound one why the towel makes a great temporary cervical collar she looked like she might have had an earring it seemed like everyone came out fairly easily except for the drivers well that's usually the case they get pinned between the wheel and the seat their feet are often caught under one of the pedals we know we're gonna have to shatter glass to get them out so we cover them with aluminized blankets which also offer a fair amount of fire protection both drivers were trapped by the steering wheels since we had to pull both wheels we had to break out both windshields one was set in rubber and we did what we're rarely able to do after pulling off the wipers and slicing the rubber with a knife we could just lift out the glass the other windshield was set in mastic which is more typical we couldn't cut it loose so we had to crack it with the bailing off wouldn't the airgun have been faster sure but it's not worth the hazard that chisel throws slivers of glass all over the place [Music] the bailing looks slower but not all that much once we clear the windshields we could use either the come-along or the power jaws to pull the wheel out of the driver's lap with either tool we fasten one end to a strong point on the front chest the other end goes low around the steering column a lot of cars have tilt up steering wheels now if we get on the high side of the tilting joint the steering wheels liable to pop up and take some of the drivers teeth with it notice use a lot of cribbing when you pulled the wheel that's to keep from collapsing the hood and to give a sharper lift angle to the wheel now both drivers also had their feet caught under the pedals in one car we were able to lift the pedal with a porta power with the other we use the power jaws we also could have used the come-along next we had to force back the driver seats we used the come-along tool in one of the cars first we attached one end to a strong point on the rear of the chassis we had to bring the other end in through the rear window that was a neat technique for shattering the glass one sharp blow in the corner does the trick we can get up to 4000 pounds of pull with a come-along enough to snap any CDs and the handle is designed to bend before the cable will break in the other car we had to unscrews the door pillars before we could slide the front seat back we used a four tonne RAM to do that job then we use the power jaws to snap the seat brackets [Music] [Music] man what an accreditor cute kid sure we use all of them but we don't really need the mind we could probably get by with less than half of them there's a lot more to extrication in tools it's mainly common sense and just caring about people I don't have to tell you guys about amateurs and thrill-seekers pulling people out of cars and actually killing them in the process before we really get involved be right there well so long guys thanks for your help hey we got a lot more from you than you got from us fair exchange take care you know that she's right how do you mean extrication it's not a job for amateurs you're really gonna know what you're doing I'm a believer [Applause] [Music] you hello everybody I'm skip Alzheimer welcome to our lunchtime streaming event that we just watched collision rescue one of two films that I have two films that I have of how to remove people extra extricate people from cars that have crashed this one is the better one because it has the jaws of life in it and big fan notice many of you liken this to emergency in our guest switch over to him mark Quigley also said hey that's like emergency and wanted to know is like is that the LAPD or an LA Fire Department and sure enough it was welcome mark everybody see you now so you are actually in are you in Los Angeles where are you at then is killer which is a suburb of course of course and so we know each other from years of going to film conferences and me visiting you at UCLA and us just liking certain types of films in general tell me what you do now and where you do it well I'm the John H Mitchell television archivist for the UCLA film and television archive and my job entails acquisitions curatorial work inventory is sometimes cataloguing sometimes sometimes exhibition working with all areas of the archive to as much as possible share the collection in ways that we can do epicly and legally and I see one of the people watching on Facebook is Elie Saab Domino somebody who we turn to quite a bit oh yeah copyright questions hi Eli yeah he's been joining us for a while and I'm happy to happy that he's there we love you lie so we talked via Facebook messaging to try to pick and choose what were the films that you would like for me to show from my collection and one of the things that you said is Oh some seventies PSAs public service announcements so tell me why I mean you haven't seen these but you were just like like yeah just put some public service announcements on there so why why did you want to see those well you and I are about the same age and you know growing up in the 70s PSAs were the way that you're introduced to like the ills of society and the Ad Council which is not a government agency but kind of like a an ad hoc consortium of major advertising agencies that contribute work pro bono to create this public service advertising they actually came out of like World War two so loose lips sink ships and all that all that kind of propaganda for the public good what's like the origins of the Ad Council and so they brought that into the post war problems so in the 70s you would you know you would see pretty commercials in the middle of the night if you're in you know snuck up as a kid to watch you bet your life earrings to watching baby parts before fractured flickers and in between would be these PSAs and all of a sudden would be you know this 60-second spot about people in East Germany that we're trying to get news and they're running through dark alleys and you know I used to really scare you and introduce you to concepts and things that you didn't understand sometimes the first time you became aware of this problem so PSAs are really cool commercials are some of the most expensive films made per per minute and PSAs are just this really condensed information that kind of hit you especially the seventies they were very hard-hitting they were trying to make an impact so they were really kind of like hitting you with like a baseball bat worth like a really hard reality so one of the ones you might remember this is a little later from the 80s but you know drinking and driving kills a friendship and there's two skeleton hands like doing a toast with beer steins that like break you know it's shatter things like that and as a little kid in the seventies you know we'll be able to sleep rocking something right so the right big impression okay well so the these PSAs have some celebrities some 70's celebrities in them and some sports stars and I think one of them is definitely about seat belts and some of them might be about customs and we'll watch all right here we go yeah so here's some 70s peace PSAs enjoy [Applause] my babies take some hard leaks out there but I have a law that helps keep them free of injury nobody goes on this field without proper safety equipment right because here's another one of my babies I take care of him with a child restraint system protect your baby use a child restraint system this is a dummy in the front seat of a car going 30 miles an hour watch what happens when the car stops now the dummy is wearing a lap belt and now with lap and shoulder belts see the difference we thought these films might help you decide what to do the next time you get in your car well we know safety belts are a real headache but look at it this way your headache could be a lot worse some people believe it's better to get thrown clear in a car crash but at 30 miles per hour that's the speed you will be doing when you hit the concrete or a lighting pole or maybe you're just lying there stunned in the road know the best place to be in a car crash is in the car with your safety belts buckled to hold you there if you're not wearing a safety belt what's holding you back when you're traveling along the road in your car at 30 miles per hour and you crash you crash around - and you get hurt by the steering wheel or the windshield but if you wear safety belts they restrain your movement inside the car and reduce your chances of serious injury by 70 percent think about it if you're not wearing a safety belt what's holding you back hi I'm Marty Johnson and this is travel pack a free kit of useful material the US Customs Service is put together to help make your overseas travel and return as simple as possible your travel pack has a declaration form this has to be completed before you can return through customs so take the declaration with you on vacation fill it out as you shop now write to this address or pick one up from your local travel agent that's travel pack US Customs Service washington DC 202 to nine get one hi I'm Charlene Tilton whether your next home is a ranch near Dallas or a condominium apartment or some other kind of home it will probably be the largest investment of your lifetime that's why you should remember precautions before you buy this free booklet from the American land title Association contains information on home selection financing purchasing 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yourself and your foreign purchases back to the US before you leave the country get your free travel pack with the customs declaration fill it out while you're there right travel pack US Customs Service washington DC 202 to 9 or ask your own travel age Garvey [Applause] people who work for you or a team just like the Dodgers when you hire a blinded veteran you make a qualified trained employee a team member will go to bat for you reliable enthusiastic available that's a blinded veteran ask any US Labor Department office or write the blinded veterans Association Washington DC on the ball that's how you blinded veterans can be especially with retraining for a good job we can help a blinded veterans Association by the US Department of Labor office all right so it was totally random um there was some that pump pumpkin footage was pretty horrifying but a lot about paperwork a lot of PSAs about people totally not your customs form making sure that you have your title cleared correctly yeah I guess that was a problem so you have a television archive do you have any public service announcements in the archive we do not as many PETA saz's I would like let me there are quite a number of PSAs and you know usually the commercials in the collection tend to be compilations for different competitions you know like oh yeah Cleo and yams like that or International Advertising Association Awards so there's sometimes embedded within reels of other commercials and and many of those for catalogued a long time ago or is it for many of them there isn't a lot of metadata and it is until you actually get to pull it and take a look at it to find out really what it is but it's interesting if you just go on YouTube how many you know essays you can find just like you have so many reels of PSAs it's lucky that they survived they're really little time capsules of the period that they were made they tell you what people were worried about two tons up to a minute so there you're really important in that way right yeah so on that note about compilations for commercial competitions we did a bunch of scanning work for the Indiana University because they have the Cleo collection and so they've been slowly putting stuff online that we've been digitizing a bunch of really fascinating ice cream commercials and of course cigarette commercials and just really fascinating stuff I might try to find a link and put that in the comments but yeah they've been it's really fascinating to see all these commercials from those different times and the PSAs of course so one of the first things that you asked me a long time ago was about this next film if I had it in my collection protection and in the nuclear age why is this film why does this film stuck with you how did you see it tell me more okay so you know during the 1980s there was a real kind of renewed threat that the cold war with raven and soviet union of nuclear war and it was really kinda heavy on everyone's minds in fact i remember as a kid going to you know cramming books which was like a really popular bookseller out here on the west coast in picking up a little mass-market paperback called nuclear war what's in it for you and it broke down in detail you know where the bombs were gonna hit what was gonna happen it was it was a real kind of frightening time sure and this film one day randomly watching TV at a friend's house there was some anti-nuclear fundraiser on on public television like a local public television station and we would have really bad reception but we were you know with rabbit ears bringing in this film and this is a really shocking film some of it one of the highlights of this film is there's a part where they tell you what if you don't have access to apollo childer you can dig a hole outside and take a door off of one year you know rooms and you lay in the hole outside and pull a door from your house over the top of the hole that was one of the things you're going to do so this film always stuck with me and yeah so i contacted you and of course you have it and it's you know once you see this you'll never forget it and it has a very stylized kind of graphic style of animation that is a way of kind of disinviting the whole problem right so it's well you're disassociating it's these little cartoon characters that are faceless or at least little silhouettes so it's just something really gloomy and scary about this as you would expect with the topic being right alright well let's watch protection and you age and if people have questions for mark about some of the things that we've been watching today yeah mitchum in the comments and we'll ask alright here we go [Music] [Music] [Music] we live in a world of tension and conflict and peace even where it does exist does so without guarantees for tomorrow we must therefore face the hard reality that some day a nuclear attack against the United States could occur and equally important we must also realize that horrifying as that prospect may seem destructive as such an attack might be we can survive it would not mean the end of the world the end of our nation and you can greatly improve your own chances of survival if you'll remember these facts about protection in the nuclear age [Music] three things to remember in time of emergency our government and many many others around the world will be doing everything in their power to keep the peace second you'll probably have some time to prepare of course attack could come by surprise but more likely there would be a time of growing international tension with all its signs and warnings lasting days perhaps even weeks giving you time for some preparations third wherever we live we're all inclined to think of our own hometown as target number one but this is a very big country with many cities industries military bases and Defense Department studies show that even under the heaviest possible attack less than 5% of our entire land area would be affected by blast and heat from nuclear weapons of course that 5% contains a large percentage of our population but even in these high-risk areas if there's sufficient time to permit evacuation many millions of lives could be saved the other 95% of our land would escape untouched except possibly by radioactive fallout now here are things you need to know first the warning signals there are two of them and it's important that you know the difference the attention or alert signal is used for peacetime emergencies tornado and hurricane warnings industrial explosions other immediate threats to your safety the signal is a long steady blast on the civil defense sirens or other warning devices it means turn on your radio or television set your local authorities have a peacetime emergency message for you the attack warning signal is a three to five minute wavering sound on the sirens [Music] or a series of short blasts on whistles or horns this signal has only one meaning an actual enemy attack against the United States has been detected [Music] don't pick up the phone to find out what's happening the lines need to be kept clear for official emergency use don't wait if you're at work or in school take cover in the basement or an inner corridor at home go to your basement or fallout shelter or find protection under the stairs take a battery-powered radio with you then tuned to your local emergency broadcast station for news and official instructions here are the official instructions you must take cover immediately when a nuclear weapon explodes four things happen first a blinding flash of light next a searing wave of heat shooting out from the nuclear fireball then the blast wave carrying dangerous debris and finally if the burst has occurred at or near ground level there soon will be radioactive fallout dropping from that mushroom cloud whatever you do don't look at the flash it can blind you instead take cover immediately behind a tree or a wall in the shelter of a ditch curl up in a ball and cover your head with hands and arms stay there till both the heat and the blast waves have passed if your home is in an area where the heat wave has started small fires use the next few minutes to put them out prevent them from growing into big ones then shut off your main water valve you'll have at least thirty minutes to do all this before radioactive fallout starts coming down when a nuclear weapon explodes on or near the ground tons of dirt and debris are pulverized and carried up into the mushroom cloud vaporized by intense heat then condensed into millions of tiny particles of fallout no bigger than grains of salt or sand spread by high-altitude winds fallout can blanket wide areas and wherever it falls it spells danger the tiny particles emit invisible gamma rays much like x-rays and if your body absorbs too much of this radiation it can cause sickness or death it's not contagious you can safely treat a victim of radiation sickness without fear of catching it the one thing that can make you a victim is direct exposure to fall out and you do have defenses against it mass distance and time mass means thick heavy dense materials to shield you and screen out most of the radiation like 16 inches of brick 12 inches of concrete or concrete block filled with sand even 2 feet of packed earth your second defense is distance the farther you are from the source of radiation the fallout settled on the roof and ground the safer you'll be in large buildings of heavy construction both the basement and the inner corridors upstairs offer good protection from radiation they combine both mass and distance and finally there's time luckily radioactivity from fallout weakens very rapidly in fact seven hours after the blast the level of radioactivity will drop a full 90% after 2 days 99% of the radioactivity is gone and after 2 weeks only 1/10 of 1% is left in short time is your ally with protection you can wait it out if attack seems threatened there are three kinds of protection one public shelter two home shelter and three relocation one go to the nearest public fallout shelter wherever you see these black and yellow fallout shelter signs there are more than enough public shelters to shield our whole population if they were perfectly distributed unfortunately they're not if the nearest public shelter is too far away stay home and find shelter there if you have a home fallout shelter in your basement fine if not we'll tell you later how to improvise some fallout protection for people who live in the high-risk areas a third defense is possible if there is time temporary relocation in a nuclear attack the greatest dangers would be blast and fire in the target areas which means the people most threatened would be those living or working near our missile sites near strategic military bases and near some of our larger centres of Industry the simplest way to save them is to move them out to small towns and rural areas where the only likely danger is fallout so the federal government in cooperation with state and local governments is now working on detailed plans for temporary relocation of these high-risk areas if crisis ever threatens it is a difficult and complex problem requiring much planning but it is possible after all we relocate millions of workers from our big cities every evening rush hour we have moved hundreds of thousands to safety in time of hurricane or flood and in a case like this it could save as many as 100 million live occupations it would be an orderly controlled evacuation your own local authorities will give detailed instructions through radios television ratings and the press telling you what necessities to take along what arrangements have been made for transportation by bus train nor private car where you will find safety in a small town or rural host areas and what routes to follow to get there when you arrive reception centers will be there to welcome you and assign you temporary housing and special arrangements will be made to upgrade the local level of fallout protection in case the crisis should be followed by attack in fact we need fallout protection in place everywhere so there's no telling where it may be needed but even if you're unable to reach a shelter you can still improvise some protection set up a strong table or workbench in the corner that's most below ground level and away from windows cover the top with as much heavy materials as it will safely hold doors bricks flag stones books wall it in with heavy bookcases chests of drawers then fill the drawers with earth or sand for added shielding if your house is built on a slab foundation use the concrete floor for shelter unless the soils too rocky or a high water table prevents dig a trench alongside the house tunnel under the footing and up digging out a shelter under the concrete slab just big enough to contain your family shore up the slab with timber if need be and slant some heavy doors covered with soil over the outside trench for added protection from fallout and rain or you can dig an l-shaped trench in your yard about four feet deep and three feet wide make the longer side of the L big enough to accommodate your family the shorter leg will serve as the entrance shore up the sides of the trench for safety cover it with house doors or heavy Timbers then pile 2 feet of earth on top for protection in rural areas excellent fallout shelters can be found in natural caves tunnels mines with horizontal shafts and storm or root cellars cover the cellar with a foot or two of birth then shield the entrance with brick or block to protect you from radiation of course the best home protection of all would be a basement fallout shelter built before any crisis occurs your local civil defense director can supply the plans with a little time some money for materials and do-it-yourself labor you can supply the rest wherever you are you'll need emergency supplies if fall out in your area is light you may be in shelter only a few days but to be on the safe side store enough precooked canned or packaged food plus special foods for the baby diet foods for the sick and elderly and enough water to last you if necessary for a week or more water is the most important you'll need at least a quart better yet a gallon for each person for each day stir it in tightly sealed glass or plastic bottles you can also use the bottled or canned beverages fruit and vegetable juices and milk from your refrigerator then there's your hot water tank water in the flush tanks not the balls of the toilets and water trapped in the house piping system close off the main valve to keep that precious water from draining away into the outside mains turn on the faucet located at the highest point in the building to let some air into the system then drain water as needed from the lowest point don't forget sanitation supplies a metal container with a type lid for an emergency toilet and toilet tissues a garbage can for wastes plastic liners and disinfectants medicines and first-aid supplies blankets and bedding extra clothing and underwear soap towels personal hygiene items flashlights and candles fire extinguisher and buckets of sand and a battery-powered radio with ex batteries so you can receive news and official instructions if you're going to a public fallout shelter bring as much water and ready-to-eat food as possible extra clothing blankets a flashlight special medicines and personal hygiene items if you're being moved to safety from a high risk area pack all the other basic necessities your family takes when going on a trip plus blankets bedding special medicines for your own protection remember these basic facts first the attack warning signal a three to five minute wavering sound on the sirens or short blasts on missiles or bombs [Music] next the effects of a nuclear explosion a blinding flash the heatwave then the following blast wave and finally radioactive fallout remember your three defenses against fallout mass thick heavy dense materials to shield you from the radiation from fallout distance the farther you are from the fallout that settled on the roof and the ground the safer you'll be and time radioactivity does weaken and rapidly with shelter you can wait it out take a battery-powered radio with you then tuned to your local emergency broadcast station but it is I'll tell you when it's safe to come off don't forget spare batteries for your radio remember too that you have three choices one to go to a public fallout shelter know where the nearest one is to your office your home your children's school be prepared to take along food water the other necessities we've mentioned if you decide to take shelter at home know how to improvise and improve your protection there and do lay in enough supplies relocation if you live in a high-risk area your local authorities may ask you to move to safety in a small town or rural areas be sure you know their emergency plan so you'll know exactly where to go and what to do whatever the choice take time now to make your own family protection plan know what you'll need make your plan practical and make sure each member of the family knows exactly what to do if crisis ever comes don't wait til you need it that's too late do it now the Earth from space can seem a fair and pleasant place and perhaps through strength and unceasing efforts to settle international disputes by peaceful means we'll manage to keep it that way the greatest danger is hopelessness the fear that nuclear attack would mean the end of our world so why not just give up lie down and die that idea could bring senseless and useless death to many for protection is possible and your own chances of survival will be much greater if you remember these facts about protection in a nuclear age [Music] Wow blue people mark yeah everyone who can't sleep tonight I apologize especially as you just said it's timeless in a way that is concerning I like the blue person on the radio that had infrared rays coming out of his mouth it was it was almost like a bunch of somebody commented as like a bunch of superheroes with weird mutation but so some people have some questions about public service announcements from the previous somebody asked about the words of unity PSAs of which I have a couple and I put links on the you in the comments what about so somebody else asked about the action core yeah I remember those those had on those were animated they have the DC Comics characters oh really okay your your sunday funnies actually was something like a mere quorum or distant was like a you know like a domestic Peace Corps type of thing right believe yeah yeah I mean I have one that talks about working in urban areas to help and yes it does have that kind of vibe to it and so this film the protection and the age it's fascinating this is it came out around the time as you were saying that there was a lot of Cold War tension and and films were coming out about like the day after but uh there was a film that came out that I saw was called the late great planet Earth that traumatized me beyond belief like to the point where I saw it I might have been 12 or 13 and I ran out of the theater crying and freaking out because it portrayed what was going to happen in a nuclear holocaust and I had nightmares for a month I had to sleep with my parents the first night because I was so freaked out and it was years later after I started collecting films that I realized who made or helped make this film ralph Forsberg and thanks to you I actually met Ralph forsberg so tell me a little bit about your dealings with Ralph and what you did for him sure well getting to know was a really special thing and it kind of happened in a weird way that's all well thanks to working film symposium in one way or another but come the condensed version is I had presented on a strange religious program insight and orphans that we're going to talk about later and from there a journalist contacted me looking for a very bizarre film that he thought was an insight and so we were searching through this together and the film he was looking for words is a whole other episode of mini meetings was not an insight and that research that we did together that the journalist was Paul Cohen led us to roll forth Berg and he had tracked down both in Chicago and I looked at his cabin of films and at this time this was this was like 2003 2004 his films weren't really on the internet and they weren't really around um but Paul had tracked him down in Chicago but he also lived here in LA and so we arranged to have dinner with him to take about to dinner and so we took him out to dinner and we became familiar with this Canon of you know really who traded religious films that he did for major religious organizations and he had some of these in his garage so I was lucky to bring a number of those into the UC Lee Toland television archive and one of them that we're going to look at today is parable which is a film he made for the 1964 World's Fair and it created all kinds of outrage and protests in advance of the 64 World's Fair it was it was made for the New York City Protestant Council of Churches for their pavilion of the World's Fair but it was an allegory and it the Christ figure in this allegories of and so there was many protests in advance of the filming the big screen that you know during cly's Christ as a clown and and it was threats of a religious person like Con Ed was going to shut down power at the pavilions well they couldn't scream it another religious leader said he was gonna bring a shotgun and shoot the screen of the brothers Freeman what ended up happening was it ended be like my most popular film attractions at the pier right here so getting sure no role was really planted and we got to you came out pretty stilling we got to go to his house right introduce you to him we had a nice chat yeah it was it was soothing for me to confront this person I mean he's the he was the kindest man to confront him about like great planet Earth and which I found out he didn't actually do the the parts that scared me he kind of did the recreations of the Book of Revelations it was the other parts of it the the more used a lot of b-roll that Bette freaked me out but also so we showed another one of his films stopped here on the streaming thing a couple of weeks ago and it baffled a lot of people and that's how I kind of found him is that I had stalked and I have included it on a DVD compilation and I was doing research to try to figure out who this filmmaker was because that is another confounding portrayal of Jesus which is this Dutch man that is hounding this man stalking this man in the streets of Amsterdam in so Ralph's portrayal of Jesus has always been this amazingly controversial thing that's a really cool expose you know but really high production value and and you know it's interesting because major religious organizations at this time are trying to do anything to hold on to constituents and bring new people into the tip because you know your modern world is much more secular people are kind of turning away from traditional religions so they would give someone that growth who is really an experimental filmmaker and he was he was a student of the world's religions in a world traveler but personally he was Norma Buddhists and he was much more interested in just telling super spiritually strange stories which was just different how he was as if when he would talk to he wasn't it was a very deep person but he wasn't no mania when he watched these films you know yes I've come and keeper that basically it you know is it another parable that figure features micro photography of ham colonies right so he has a whole can of films that are they're basically like you know she legally nightmares all right well let's watch parable and we'll talk a little bit more about that and then we'll talk about insight insight is the what would you describe the twilight zone for Catholics watching this all of these films with this today know that you people are gonna sleep to me yeah sorry about that yeah that's Friday night what do you got to do all right here's parable in the Gospels Jesus teaches us biting parables through them comes God's message in simple story form today a parable might begin like this once there was a great circus and the march of Nations and people's a great circus parade in which some were participants some early spectators a parade in which human being seldom knew one another or cared for one another and into this great circus of life came a man who dared to be different [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Laughter] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Music] you [Music] you sorry I lost track apologize for that mark we were talking at length about this film and about our our dealings with with Ralph I seem to remember I tried I think I tried to ask him about what was the significance of the different colored hoodies of the kids and do we ever get it really an answer for that no ducks the design of this one was incredible and they were he was able to get those circus wagons from a circus museum and so they they put a lot of effort into the production but the costuming whatever metaphors those are meant to represent and didn't we try to ask him also about the racial identity of the Jesus mind I don't think so I don't remember but of course there's the important scene in the beginning that's you know where he comes to the aid of so that was a really important part of filming 464 you know that was something that you know right right so you were talking about this film in context with his other films about the nightmare quality of it and a lot of people commented on that could you talk more about well me that's the one and this there's commonality among Ross suppose and you know there's actually a great DVD out now that has four of these films four of his best films that you can easily find be an Amazon arrest and then you have stopped available through your store but the commonality in all of these films and said there's you know they're they they really read more like you know celluloid nightmares that any kind there isn't really a strong narrative Danny listos they're really more impressionistic expressionist dickin they're here the intent is not to convey a mood right then any kind of like religious tract or duck or doctor in there you know there's just something for wolf this was weight a way of expressing his you know inner thoughts in a way that really came up into the subconscious I think it was subconscious quality to this so the the subtle theme to almost everything you picked is late night nightmare or what is this weird thing that is mildly traumatizing me psychically so let's use this as a lead-in to talk about insight tell me about insight well this is it again this is a pretty cool long story but not as a kid I used to watch this television show insight it was a religious anthology that was shot on videotape and it was headed by a Catholic priest who was in the Polish border and his name is Elron Kaiser and the post were charged with kind of reaching people outside the church so he suckers and it used he lay in the 60s that were really more humanist than religious and they got popular so they decided to try to bring it to TV and those were originally lectures and I definitely catch on as my testing my internet connection might be going bad for a second and so instead became an anthology and he was able to get good stars and good writers so Michael Crichton wrote some episodes Rod Serling wrote an episode William Peter Blatty of the Exorcist wrote some episodes he had stars that clip Wilson Irene Dunne Ida Lupino all these people did this word brought us nerve these little mini morality dramas they used to run freedom stations often at midnight so after the Northridge earthquake there was a this was in the 90s that was a very bad aftershock and I woke up at 3 in the morning one morning with that aftershock and turned on the TV and make sure we weren't having another big earthquake and on a local station they were rerunning and really dream episode of insight and I had kind of forgotten about the show so they didn't question so I started taping it between 4 a.m. we're still running locally and then in the early 2000s I'm working at the archive and and I you slay and I said to myself where whatever happened to that man was very little on me a mermaid at that time about the show so I cold called the Paulists that polish productions that made the show and asked them you know whatever happened your show they said well we have the novel and they're in our basement in our headquarters and Thelma Todd's old speakeasy or PCH and we're really worried about them and I said well we can help and so our television archivist at the time Danny Einstein and I went down there as soon as we could and we picked up four band full of material including two-inch original masters where they survived one-inch tapes three quarter-inch tape sixteen circulation prints and we got every episode that survived some didn't I'm the head done over 300 episodes and the best of the episodes are a lot like parable maybe you know matheson production value was they were shot really cheap on videotape but the idea of this show was to get people thinking about things social problems bettering yourself escaping some things like alcoholism or drug abuse and because it was you know and off you did the Catholics sometimes they touched on things like promiscuity or sex out of marriage things like that but for the most part it was pretty much a liberal show where they would tackle things like the death penalty that regular TV really shiny weaved nice and so what we'll do is well because this is a longer episode this is like you know 30 minutes we will say thank you and goodbye tomorrow and we'll just kind of let this episode run tell me about this one hit man you you said and this is one of your favorite ones and this is one that we have in our collection my favorite episodes it's directed by neri Lloyd in order Lloyd was a protege of Hitchcock is still alive he's 105 years old he directed a lot of great TV in the 70s for kCPT anthology television and this also has one of my favorite character actors in it John Anderson who's ill recognized from the outer limits Twilight Zone and every 70s TV shows just a fantastic actor and it very a very kind of even-keeled way tackles the story of the death penalty through a person who you know works out a place like San Quentin and is charged with execute people mainly my safety much more than that but you recognize a lot of people in the cast is stir really well done in a one room stage production done videotape awesome thank you so much mark for joining us what we'll do is you said that you have some of these stream other inside episodes and things streaming at UCLA site and so what we'll do is we'll put I'll put links in there um for people on Facebook and on YouTube so they can investigate more if this touches them thanks again man maybe good we're being the dick Cabot AV the Dick Cavett a baby that's I love dick cabinet so thank you very much fever talk to us all right so here's hitman take care everybody I'll say goodbye at the very end but thanks for joining us and thank you Mark take care thank you but he do you happen to have an aspirin sorry oh no it's closed yep what kind of an airport is this a very small one well I love these late flights the least I can do is obvious some coffee they're not even offering the late spike what are you talking about look out the window right can't see anything except the fog all flights are grounded you didn't hear the announcement no it's not what they were mumbling you know I can never understand those clowns it's the how long is the delay until the fog lifts could be all night all night well in that case the bar is open okay could that possibly be brandy no that's scotch 21 you're all scotch well I guess I'll have to make do good all right Joe Riley all right Peter that's good all right Joe Radek booth now we all grabbed on that flight to Chicago uh-huh well here's a toast to Chicago and believing this bird what do you have against this fair city oh it was a dry well for me I'm a reporter for wire service what do you do I teach high school college I'm an ethics professor ethics nice cut-and-dried subject well they learn mostly to hate I say exam well I like you too I do honest work oh let me see you're a brain surgeon no bigger than that I'm a shoe salesman you made a lot of people with no brains but never with no shoes well with an August body this and a bottle of 21-year old scotch we ought to be able to solve half the problems of the universe and what do you do we're living [Music] I kill people [Music] [Music] [Applause] you kill people I mean a hit man like a bang bang you're dead oh it's done depends results the same I say you want a job right now might say that yeah go on somewhere professor yes I'm not gonna listen to any more of this I feel like the company here that's right why don't you take a walk professor are you threatening me why would I threaten you okay professor come on take it easy may be threatening all of us what motivates a man like you why do you kill it's a job and the other job do it for the money you enjoy it not really somebody has to do it eight thousand years of civilization look how far we'd come and still produce primitives like that you got another one of those yes sure come on guys sittin right over there and you're talking as if he's a laboratory rat or something what does that bother you and I talk about you as though you were a laboratory rat or something hey that professor it's kind of high so apologize for me Riley I just don't like fraternizing with murderers I don't like fraternizing with the hypocrite profession what do you got a death wish look that was crazy with like ice true professional wouldn't you say with your professors I'll say one thing for you're probably good at your job you got it all planned out haven't you you know exactly how and when you're gonna do it minute are we I mean am I on your list no ha ha I'll drink to that drinking through another man's death no I'm not I'm just drinking till killings all right as long as you're not the one who's getting in person you're gonna kill what's he done does it matter did he kill anybody what are you driving at I'm just trying to figure out how the system works see most paid killers work for the mom they have their own set of laws the law of a jungle and I for I surely you're not condoning this I don't condone it I don't condemn as I just report it but who decides who died I mean where's the responsibility hey why is everybody getting so upset around here haven't you been listening what is your world end when you get above the laces oh wait a minute don't play him on my back why not he's gonna kill somebody tomorrow and you shrug it off because it isn't you and you say maybe the victim has it coming then neither one of you have a a little bit of a problem with that yeah I got a problem with that I also got a house payment I can't make I got a kid who's on drugs I need some root canal work I got a lot of problems you want to guess where he fits on my list no bleep hood no wait a minute wait a minute now listen I am NOT trying to reform the world I'm just trying to cope okay and if this guy decides to blow somebody away there's nothing I can do about it except read a lurid account of it in the papers so much for the sanctity of human life every great philosopher as well as each one of the world's great religion says that human life no matter what its form is sacred Saint or demon every human being has the right to life and nobody has the right to take it away violin music please turn the other cheek love your enemy each killing each act of violence becomes the motive for the next one we break the chain maybe you don't maybe you just duck when violence comes your way you're very cynical I'm just a realist I have no love for that character either he's not the one you go after it's the people who hire him I wondered when you were gonna get around with that who does hire you you don't have to name names I don't mind naming names who then you mean all of you work for the government state prison I'm an executioner I had a feeling you weren't such a bad guy told us that in the beginning George I killed people you presumed I was a murderer what was the point in stringing us along I tell people what I do straight out they treat me like poison who says you're not the state citizens of the state you not me hey come on lighten up but he's not our soul a baby son oh wait a minute are you against capital punishment that's right I don't accept five minutes ago killing didn't seem to bother you that much I was simply acknowledging the reality of the world about me now we're talking about the state what's the difference by executing the criminal the state is sanctioning premeditated killing punishing the crime by committing it the state should be above revenge I guess I can go along with that at least you and the professor get something you can agree on not on that know what revenge isn't necessarily involved at all justice is wait a minute are you for capital punishment under certain conditions what the hell is going on here what conditions I'd rather not discuss it what's the matter professor I thought you were such a believer in the sanctity of human life now you are an eye for an eye which is it I could ask you the same question I've already answered it you've said that you can accept slaughter in the streets but not formal execution based on due process I think you've slipped a cog in there maybe you just hate lady reporters another personal I just think you're inconsistent and irrational I think it is personal but not with me with you you're an analyst to just explain your little flip-flop it's very simple there are certain crimes for which one forfeits the right to live and to use your words who decides what those crimes are you me Riley or maybe our executioner friend isn't that what the courts are supposed to decide it's still people judging people yeah but they got the jurisdiction they're the experts right let's just drop it I don't want to drop it how many people do you have on death row right now twelve any blacks seven Latinos three white two and how many of them are wealthy or even middle-income zero and that's my point no matter what crime you think someone should die for the only people who will be convicted are the ones who can't afford a good lawyer what about all the murders that don't take place just because there's capital punishment you actually believe capital punishment is a deterrent of potential murderer I think it's only logical well let me see now before I kill this guy I better look it up in the law books and see just what the penalty is oh my capital punishment well maybe I'll just kick his teeth in instead is that what you're trying to tell me you're oversimplifying I am trying to show you that most murders are committed in the heat of the moment with a lot of thought of the consequences so therefore deterrence doesn't even apply but if capital punishment deter is just one murder it does apply and if it kills just one innocent person it should be banned we're right back where we started I'm certain the facts are gonna prove I'm right all the evidence I've seen doesn't point your way Japan which has no capital punishment and a much denser population has about 1/9 the homicides of the United States what does that mean we are all aware [ __ ] owners what do you think there's a deterrent isn't capital punishment the prison system that's the way it is it should be I absolutely agree with you we create more criminals than we reform but even if we made all the necessary changes in the system the professor here would still opt for capital punishment and I want to know why why can't we just leave this whole thing alone O'Reilly you know how reporters are snoop snoop snoop what do you say professor what is it cost to keep a lifer in prison $20,000 a year okay so if we give a man a life sentence and keep him in jail say 40 years we're talking about a minimum of $800,000 yeah and that's my tax money right oh that's not the worst of it you take that same criminal put him on death row and keep him there until all his appeals run out add up the court costs and you've spent as much and say two years as you would have spent in 40 I wonder how many starving children that money might feed so you're saying it costs us more to kill them than to keep them even if he stays for life but he doesn't ten years later he's out on parole we got to deal with him all over again not if he's rehabilitated but you just got through reminding us that they come out worse than they were when they went in all right you're saying it's lifers really got life you'd be against capital punishment I don't know no I wouldn't why not professor deterrence isn't the reason money isn't the reason none of those logical things I said I don't want to get into it why not you're afraid he'll show how biased you are just how unqualified you are to teach [Music] two years ago my wife and I would we just recently been married both of us for the first time little unusual at our age huh we were we were driving north through Big Sur we hadn't eaten and we decided to have a picnic so we we stopped to buy this sandwich makings got in an argument about what to drink I thought the occasion called for champagne but Janet said no that costs too much can you imagine our combined income had to be over fifty thousand dollars a year here we were arguing about a twelve dollar bottle champagne [Music] was this Park State Park redwoods beautiful found a secluded little spot I opened the wine and she won the argument we were two lovers together then a man in a declaring said he was hungry offered in the sandwich he took our hand instead just intellect oh he wouldn't she screamed I hit him he let go of her and he was on me like like like a wild animal it was young twenty years younger than I it was no match well Janet screamed he pounded me and into a bloody pulp I thought he was gonna kill me but somehow is she she and ravine must've hit him with something [Music] we descended on her [Music] what's the phrase that his way with her finally he beat her into unconsciousness went away whistling the local park ranger found us eventually I spent a week in the hospital what about your wife wife for several weeks before Janet could could see herself dress herself even walk but she doesn't speak she doesn't recognize me [Music] every weekend I visit her every weekend's the same your lies were there face to the wall Fantan she cries she'd never respond [Music] what happened to the guy yes the guy he was arrested two months later for raping three elementary school children there's their trial oh yeah and a conviction where Xena in a state hospital for the criminally insane I trust that tending to all his needs good answer so yet I have like my emotions get into it but would you please tell me if you're a human being how do you keep their emotions out of it professor I'm sorry what for isn't it your job I had no right to pry why should that stop you question is have you gone far enough aren't you curious whether I'm just trying to cover up my own guilt no of course you are could I have stopped him did I fight back hard enough what bothers me most is crime or my conscience come on Peters go for it Riley was right let's drop it oh no you wouldn't let me off the hook now let's check out your little faults well maybe you don't have any I'm ashamed for having put you through this I can be persistent to a fault all I can ask now is that you please please accept my apology all right and I have to admit to you that if what happened to your wife has happened to me I honestly don't know that I could disagree with you on this whole issue I feel the same way buddy both of you saying you throw the switch I would I guess I'm saying that I would have to think about it well think about it now because I've got to decide now what I'm gonna do this time I'm not gonna do it alone I want you to decide I want you to vote you're asking us to take responsibility for what you do no asking you to take responsibility for what I do in your name I pull the switch you're the executioners you don't have to pull that switch now you're right I don't you vote no I don't get on that plane so what will happen then just call it another execution it won't it maybe maybe not you're laying a real heavy trip on us I'm not sure I want to deal with it your way shouldn't you I'll try to bein treated like a leper when all I do is what the law tells me to do people like you live in your lives as though you had clean hands I'll think about it that's your cop out there sharing your burden of confusion and guilt turtle stab headaches what edit every time just before I'm gonna do it I can see in my mind what it's gonna be like I trade ahead try to block it up I get these great throbbing headaches like my head's gonna explode [Music] this guy you gotta kill what'd he do what he did he did two helpless old people wasn't just rape either murder torture now to create a guy like this you need experts this guy had him his parents both of them beat on him since before he could walk stick him in a closet but shut him up sometimes for days even set fire to him once oh she's funny the kid should turn out to be a human time bomb nowhere along the line did he get a chance for any help so now they're calling on me to fix him permanently and have you ever see an execution that goes like this [Music] probably come in kicking and screaming but no problem.they for guides they'll get him into the share there's so much tension to his muscles until after for sit in a sitting position missing widowers strap his ankles in his wrists it's a greasy leather belt around his waist the metal comes down over his head he's ever going to get really in there just start playing his pants off now because there's a minute and a half to go you can tell the overhead fan goes on vent up smell burning flesh I work very well and the hood comes down over the prisoners head I go to the control panel warden gives me the nod [Music] man gets 2,000 folks first George's eyes bulge second when they burst [Music] the third is brain sir boys we don't want to take any chances Figgy just might not be reformed yet so we shed him a fourth time for good measure our plane takes about two minutes like two years it's over the doctor gives the thing not a man anymore quit checked pronounces it dead passengers on his Airways flight 196 to Chicago please proceed to the departing gate for check-in and boarding pace Airways flight 196 or Chicago now checking in this is your first boarding call thank you time to vote I've got to get on that plane yet man's life in your hands I'll make it easy on you secret ballot yes I got in that plane [Music] [Applause] no I don't [Music] three votes majority rules [Music] I still don't see what this is gonna prove I'm gonna prove that you can't wash your hands of this thing come on there's been a lot of talk about elevating ourselves out of that jungle and eye-for-an-eye breaking the chain of command the chain of violence which is it folks vote [Music] [Music] paribus [Music] oh and steaks chopped out [Music] [Music] you [Music] you [Music] happy Friday everybody um Wow yes intense not every film I have is jokey some of them delve into dark serious subjects and I appreciate you guys keeping in tuning in and I appreciate Marc quickly chiming in somebody commented that we look like brothers we are certainly cut from the same cloth having grown up around the same time responding to the same delights and fears in popular culture which is why we I think would hang out at conferences and sit and talk about the different things we experienced and so thank you Mark for making these choices they were all weird and unsettling and nightmarish but if you want to see light-hearted stuff there's other AV geek shows that have been of archived that you can watch at the a/v geeks also three thousand films are there and then if you'd like to support what we do patreon is a wonderful place to do that so we'll be back on Monday excuse me starting week nine and I very much appreciate you guys tuning in and your comments and sharing these things together and I hope you guys are keeping safe and keeping sane and getting out by the house a little bit you know doing something to for yourself and you know reach out to your friends and family say hi now is a good time to do that and thanks again and we will see you soon take care bye