AV Geeks Lunch 8 9 2022

hi everybody i'm skip alzheimer welcome to the av geeks lunchtime streaming show uh we're not at the archive today but we hopefully will be there uh tomorrow or the next day and we'll be watching some more 16 millimeter films from that archive in the meantime uh i am still thinking about the time back in the day this was easily 13 years ago where we digitized 10 000 tv commercials for duke university's ad views project they basically got all the films from benton and bowles which was an agency and so there's all these like thousands and thousands and thousands of commercials that we digitized and what would happen is we would get a big deal of stuff so it'd be like an hour's worth of 10 second 30 second minute long commercials for whatever product so we did 13 hours of crest commercials we did pampers we did the history of sugar bear which i uh showed and talked about with the found footage festival a couple years ago just a wide variety of different things and one of the things that would happen is if you spent a day or two digitizing the same product your brain kind of turns to mush and you have to find out what the product is and so at some point i switched to crest for a while for about a year and we uh i got what was that coffee it was really horrible you ban you banned coffee there was a bunch of ads for u-ban coffee and i found it and uh i had an intern at the time that we were digitizing and we did a bunch of grape nuts commercials and my interns like what's grape nuts and i'm like oh my god so the next day over that night i went to the grocery store and found grape nuts um and we had it the next day and it was not great it was really um i guess we didn't know because it didn't say anywhere in the box that i saw that you have to let it sit in either hot water or in milk for a period of time otherwise it's super crunchy and it scrapes the roof of your mouth so we didn't let it sit along so we basically had milk poured it over and we were chewing it and it was like excruciatingly loud and it would just scrape the roof of my mouth and my assistant was at the time was like why do they call it grape nuts because we looked at the ingredients and it was just you know flour yeast salt and that was about it and so we did some research and we're not sure why it's called grape nuts it has a nutty flavor as you'll see in the ads that you're about to see but um there's not really a an explanation where the grape comes from and what's interesting about this is we get to see how vegetables is selling this product which is um you know it's how healthy it is and how natural it is and you know there's no added anything to it and they did eventually add i think some vitamins to it they enriched it so that they could get some people with food stamps can buy it but um it is you know it is very basic stuff and i have met some die hard grape nuts fans um and they chided me for not letting it soak long enough i'm like i don't know so anyways here are a lot of grape nuts commercials so enjoy how does mrs simon stay as slim as her teenage daughter exercise in the right foods like a post grape nuts breakfast builds you up not out twin sisters no mother and daughter mrs redmond stay slim with exercise and the right foods like a post grape nuts breakfast fills you up not out keep slim and youthful with exercise and the right foods starting with a post grape nuts breakfast filled you up not out how does mrs knox stay as slim as her teenage daughter exercise in the right foods like a post grape nuts breakfast fills you up not out twin sisters no mother and daughter mrs redmond stay slim with exercise and the right foods like a post grape nuts breakfast fills you up not out post grape nuts is a natural cereal fortified with vitamins it has the crunchy nutty taste people like right now my tongue is very excited and my teeth are pretty happy what happens when people taste post grape nut cereal for the first time it's nutty i like it crispy it tastes like wheat it's good though as a natural flavor it reminds me of my childhood i don't know why it does grape nuts is a natural cereal fortified with vitamins it has the crunchy nutty taste people like i like to listen to something while i'm eating appears to me some cereals let your taste buds sleep through breakfast but grape nuts shakes them away good these crunchy nuggets have lots of robust nutty flavor baked in waiting for me just to scrunch my teeth into great taste in the morning that nutty flavor breaks loose tomorrow gives those taste buds something to wake up for sprouts into these tasty nuggets post grape nuts cereal shake your taste buds away good [Music] it's not a peanut it's not a pecan it's not an almond but there's some taste that's nutty what happens when people taste post grape nut cereal for the first time boils crunch little crunchy nuggets it has a wholesome kind of taste i've eaten some mighty good cereal but this is excellent i like it because it's not soggy it's not a boring cereal grape nuts is a natural cereal fortified with vitamins it has the crunchy nutty taste people like very good i'm gonna buy some as soon as i get out of here mmm has such a nice crunchy chewy delicious flavor what happens when people taste post grape nut cereal for the first time tastes like nuts are in it that weak taste and that nut taste are terrific it doesn't get mushy it holds up in the bowl when you eat it like little nuggets little crisp nuggets little crunchy crisp nuggets grape nuts is a natural cereal fortified with vitamins it has the crunchy nutty taste people like grape nuts they're terrific makes breakfast a pleasure know what the big news in yogurt is grapefruit cereal introducing creamy crunchy yogurt you make it yourself with grape nuts to the creamy goodness of yogurt add the crunchy goodness of grape nuts grape nuts is made from wholesome wheat and barley with no preservatives it's perfect with yogurt to creamy yogurt add crunchy grape nuts and it's creamy crunchy yogurt it's creamy crunchy yogurt [Music] the natural cereal fortified with vitamins no preservatives [Music] crunchiest dawn stuff i ever ate what happens when people taste post grape nut cereal for the first time they're small little nuggets that don't get soggy it's dynamite has a nutty taste it cracks in the cracks and i like to sound when it cracks positively crunchy the milk doesn't destroy it grape nuts is a natural cereal fortified with vitamins it has the crunchy nutty taste people like i'm gonna wake up one morning and say good morning grape nuts know what the big news in yogurt is grape dead cereal introducing creamy crunchy yogurt you make it yourself with grape nuts to the creamy goodness of yogurt add the crunchy goodness of grape nuts grape nuts is made from wholesome wheat and barley with no preservatives it's perfect with yogurt to creamy yogurt add crunchy grape nuts and it's creamy crunchy yogurt it's creamy crunchy yogurt it's got a real jazzy flavor sort of wakes you up in the morning what happens when people taste natural grape nut cereal for the first time it's chewy it tastes like crunchy nuts it has a natural flavor it's delicious and wholesome i like your swissness that's what i like grape nuts is the natural cereal with a nutty taste people like and it's fortified with vitamins it's really good oh i'd buy this yes i definitely buy this i like it nothing gets my irish up more than a soggy wishy-washy cereal i'm jimmy breslin at breakfast give me the solid cereal grape nut cereal every solid bite delivers the full-bodied nutty taste of toasted grains every solid nugget is in there crunching right down on the last spoonful post grape nuts is full of solid taste solid crunch it's the solid cereal hey kind of noisy but good what happens when people taste natural grape nut cereal for the first time well i never tasted anything like it before do i like i love it it tastes very nutty oh it's good the flavor isn't artificial it's really good grape nuts is the natural cereal with a nutty taste people like and it's fortified with vitamins the second spoonful was even better than the first spoonful oh for crying out loud something wrong will you pick up a paper these days you learn life isn't as simple as it used to be and neither is food is that why you eat grape nuts cereal yep you couldn't ask for a simpler cereal wheat and barley vitamins added no preservatives sure looks simple has got a natural nutty taste what's good for breakfast guys how about something nice and simple grape nuts a simple cereal the kirkby family does plenty of bike riding and that's one way mrs kirkby and her daughter keep themselves fit and attractive what's the other well both girls eat the right foods regularly like a breakfast which includes a bowl of grape nuts each crunchy nugget has an unusual nut-like flavor mrs kirkby and her daughter also enjoy grape nuts because it's filling and satisfying try grape nuts with your breakfast like the kirkby's delicious post grape nuts george wants to eat a whole cereal but as much as i keep looking for one that's different he keeps finding them all the same try this one george what we're using [Music] one more try georgie grape nut flakes is whole wheat with malted barley so it's slightly sweet crisp and tastes like nothing else i like it you like it i like it he likes it post grape nuts flakes the wholesome cereal that tastes different hi i'm will rogers jr i got this old-fashioned notion about food the simpler it is the better it is with breakfast give me grape nuts because post grape nuts is simple it's just good old wheat and barley fortified with vitamins no preservatives and it crunches like the grain straight from the stalk so if you've been looking for something good with breakfast i got a simple answer for you grape nuts the simple cereal there's a real nice thing going on in cities everywhere a lot of city folk are turning into weekend farmers they feel the way to get back to simple basic foods is to grow it themselves if they could grow their own cereal it would probably be grape nuts it sure is simple crunchy little nuggets of wheat and barley with no preservatives if the idea of simple foods is growing on you start breakfast with post grape nuts the simple cereal dick wagner always swings the liveliest girls at the dance does his wife get mad of course not this is my wife joan imagine mother of five yet she keeps as slim as her teenage daughter how does she do it exercise and the right kind of food like post grape nuts for breakfast it's the crunchy and delicious protein cereal that's low in calories there's no other cereal like it post grape nuts it fills you up not out bullfrog is the right name for that fellow sounds like a wild bull got loose in the pond i like listening to natural sounds and here's one i really like post grape nuts is a natural cereal fortified with vitamins oven baked then toasted into crisp nuggets that taste nutty sound crunchy even with my eyes shut i'd know grape nut cereal by his nutty flavor and crunchy sound what happens when people taste post grape nuts for the first time it's nutty i like it it's delicious and crispy it tastes like wheat it's good though it reminds me of my childhood i don't know why it does grape nuts is the cereal with a nutty taste people like and it's fortified with vitamins you know something you're sure to call them grape nuts what happens when people taste grape nut cereal for the first time okay i like that crunch [Music] i like nuts and uh it just feels like i'm eating nuts it's delicious it looks like little gold post grape nuts is a natural cereal fortified with vitamins it has the crunchy nutty taste people like oh i love them i've never tasted them before that's me and my father will rogers he taught me a lot of things when i was a boy now always remember what he said about food know what's in it before you eat it i know exactly what's in grape nut cereal because it's so simple it's just natural wheat and barley with vitamins added and it's baked into crunchy little nuggets that even looks simple so if you're looking for something good with breakfast i got a simple answer for you grape nuts the simple cereal what happens when people taste grape nut cereal for the first time it's pretty good mushy just really munchy it's crunchy it's real good it's like nuts it it kind of tastes like it's different from nuts but that's what it reminds me of it so it has a natural sweetness to it post grape nuts is a natural cereal fortified with vitamins it has the crunchy nutty taste people like it has a really good crunch to it i'm the grape that's lovely as you can see i take good care of my body cause a healthy body takes care of me i'm a grape nuts lover as you can see i love grape nuts cause i love me if you love yourself and love staying healthy eat a nutritious breakfast including grape nut cereal great tasting natural wheat and barley fortified with vitamins with a crunchy good taste i'm a great nut slobber as you can see i love grape nuts cause [Music] anne-marie benstrom has devoted herself to helping other women lead active lives i want to tell you some news about the cereal life grape nuts it's always been a good wholesome cereal with a crunchy nut-like taste but now it's even better grape nuts is not fortified with vitamins eight essential vitamins just try new vitamin fortified grape nuts for a more wholesome breakfast back in 1898 we introduced grape nuts active women loved it it was a good wholesome cereal that combined crunchiness with a nut-like taste now we're introducing new fortified grape nuts it still has grape nuts crunchiness and nut-like taste but now it's fortified with eight essential vitamins for a more wholesome breakfast new fortified great night for today's active woman all the vectors caught a slim trim figure on ice uh but which one's your wife mr bechtel this one imagine mother of five yet she keeps as slim as her teenage daughter how i exercise and watch what i eat like a grape nuts breakfast fills you up not out right for a crunchy delicious cereal that contains essential protein try post grape nuts it fills you up not out when jim hickey goes camping with five bathing beauties does his wife mind not at all this is my wife bonnie who'd guess mother of four grown daughters yet she keeps as slim as the trimmest of them how does she do it exercise and the right kind of foods like post grape nuts for breakfast it's the crunchy and delicious protein cereal that's low in calories there's no other cereal like it post grape nuts it fills you up not the out family does plenty of bike riding and that's one way mrs kirkby and her daughter keep themselves fit and attractive what's the other well both girls eat the right foods regularly like a breakfast which includes a bowl of grape nuts each crunchy nugget has an unusual nut-like flavor mrs kirkby and her daughter also enjoy grape nuts because it's filling and satisfying try grape nuts with your breakfast like the kirkby's delicious post grape nuts i'm your gibbons these sunflowers are more than beautiful their seeds make a natural bread natural foods are an important part of my life that's why post grape nuts is an important part of my breakfast it's a natural wheat and barley cereal fortified with vitamins no artificial flavorings or preservatives added it's naturally sweet taste reminds me of wild hickory nuts grape nuts is my back to nature cereal i'm traveling america treating people to grape nut cereal this morning i'm with new englanders preparing for a winter carnival let's eat grape nuts is natural wheat and barley fortified with vitamins tastes nutty you crunchy too grape nuts is baked then toasted into tasty nuggets to stay crunchy all breakfast long it's got a natural flavor i really like post grapeness the crunchy cereal with the nutty taste i'm your gibbons many consider me an expert on natural foods like cattails yes they're edible i look for natural ingredients in my food that's why grape nuts is part of my breakfast this is a wholesome cereal made from wheat and barley these natural ingredients are baked into crunchy nuggets and fortified with eight essential vitamins its naturally sweet taste reminds me of wild hickory nuts i call grape nuts my back to nature cereal i'm your gibbons i've spent years learning about natural foods did you know goldenrod makes an excellent tea natural ingredients are important to me that's why post grape nuts is part of my breakfast this wholesome cereal is made from wheat and barley these natural ingredients are baked into crunchy nuggets and fortified with vitamins its naturally sweet taste reminds me of wild hickory nuts i call grape nuts my back to nature cereal i'm your gibbons i've spent years learning about natural foods ever eat a pine tree many parts are edible natural ingredients are important to me that's why post grape nuts is part of my breakfast this wholesome cereal is made from wheat and barley these natural ingredients are baked into crunchy nuggets and fortified with vitamins it's naturally sweet taste reminds me of wild hickory nuts i call grape nuts my back to nature cereal i'm your givens many consider me an expert on natural foods like cattails yes they're edible i look for natural ingredients in my food that's why grape nuts is part of my breakfast this is a wholesome cereal made from wheat and barley these natural ingredients are baked into crunchy nuggets and fortified with eight essential vitamins it's naturally sweet taste reminds me of wild hickory nuts i call grape nuts my back to nature cereal morning i'm traveling america treating people to grape nuts cereal this morning i'm in shawano wisconsin at the herman's family reunion [Music] are you gonna take the whole box yeah whoa fresh strawberry grape nuts is a natural cereal nothing fancy about wholesome wheat and barley fortified with vitamins no artificial flavorings or preservatives in grapes it's really crunchy ew i like cheese you know grape nuts is made a lot like these homemade rolls oven baked and toasted for extra crunchiness grape nuts has a nut-like taste with just a touch of sweetness natural sweetness like in fresh fruit this breakfast with the herman's family was brought to you by grape nut cereal the crunchy cereal with the nutty taste step i got one let's throw him back till he grows up good morning i don't get to spend much time with my grandchildren so when we get together we start early grandpa i'm hungry but we haven't caught our breakfast yet oh grandpa we know you brought gave that cereal okay let's eat they're learning grape nuts is a no-nonsense natural cereal made from hearty wheat and barley and fortified with vitamins what i really like is the way grape nuts feels in my mouth good and crunchy that's because it's oven baked and toasted for crunchiness it's the only cereal i know that is the baking gives it a nutty taste a slightly sweet taste no artificial flavorings or preservatives grape nut cereal the crunchy cereal with the nutty paste okay let's catch lunch good morning when it's harvest time you get up with the sun and do a half days work before breakfast hey yo breakfast you know these farmers grow the wheat that goes into grape nut cereal yeah they save something for me have a seat grape nuts is a no-nonsense natural cereal made from hearty wheat and barley fortified with vitamins no artificial flavorings are preservatives you know grape nuts is oven baked just like these rolls been toasted to make it crunchy and that's what i really like about grape nuts the way it feels in my mouth good and crunchy and it keeps its crunchy goodness right down to the very last spoonful to me it has a nut-like taste with just a touch of sweetness natural sweetness lacking fresh fruit grape nut cereal the crunchy cereal with the nutty taste i'm your gibbons my love for natural foods has brought me to the ozarks this meal is still grinding wheat the way it did in 1897. the same kind of wheat that's in grape nut cereal it's a natural wheat and barley cereal fortified with vitamins and baked into crunchy nuggets no preservatives added his crunchiness and naturally sweet taste remind me of wild hickory nuts grape nuts the crunchy cereal with the nutty taste i'm your gibbons i'm gathering part of my breakfast the fruit of this prickly pear cactus will go well with grape nuts having spent years studying natural foods i can recommend post grape nuts it's a natural wheat and barley cereal fortified with vitamins no artificial flavorings or preservatives added its naturally sweet taste reminds me of wild hickory nuts i call grape nuts my back to nature cereal i'm your gibbons i've traveled the world studying natural foods today i'm visiting the zuni indians they're making a natural cereal like they did centuries ago their natural cereal is made with malted grains so is post grape nuts this crunchy cereal is made from wheat and malted barley and it's fortified with vitamins it has a naturally sweet nut-like taste grape nuts is my back to nature cereal i'm your gibbons i'm gathering part of my breakfast these are high bush cranberries delicious with grape nuts as an author of five books on natural foods i can recommend post grape nuts this crunchy cereal is made from natural ingredients wholesome wheat and barley and it's fortified with vitamins it's naturally sweet taste reminds me of wild hickory nuts i call grape nuts my back to nature cereal hi i'm will rogers jr i got this old-fashioned notion about food the simpler it is the better it is with breakfast give me grape nuts because post grape nuts is simple it's just good old wheat and barley fortified with vitamins no preservatives and it crunches like the grain straight from the stalk so if you've been looking for something good with breakfast i got a simple answer for you greatness the simple cereal i'm ewell gibbons author of stalking the good life out here the good life starts with a good breakfast to breakfast that includes post grape nuts this is a natural cereal fortified with vitamins it's the only cereal i know of that's oven bake the baking gives it a crunchiness i really like it's naturally sweet taste reminds me of wild hickory nuts grape nuts the crunchy cereal with the nutty taste i'm ewell gibbons author of stalking the good life out here the good life starts with a good breakfast a breakfast that includes post grape nuts this is a natural cereal fortified with vitamins it's the only cereal i know of that's oven bake the baking gives it a crunchiness i really like it's naturally sweet taste reminds me of wild hickory nuts grape nuts is my back to nature cereal i'm traveling america treating people to grape nut cereal this morning i'm helping volunteer firemen christen their new engine grape nut cereals nut lactase come from natural wheat and barley it's fortified with vitamins tastes nutty you crunchy too grape nuts is baked then toasted into tasty nuggets to stay crunchy all breakfast long it's got a natural flavor i really like post grape nuts the crunchy cereal with the nutty taste i'm traveling america treating people to grape nuts cereal this morning i'm at the herman's family reunion [Music] grape nuts is a natural wheat and barley cereal fortified with vitamins no preservatives added really crunchy yule it's made a lot like these rolls oven baked and toasted for crunches baking gives it a nutty taste a slightly sweet taste it comes by naturally grape nut cereal the crunchy cereal with the nutty paste it's so great to see the different campaigns and how they implement it and so you see several commercials that implement different different schemes on how they're going to sell this product this next thing we're going to see is kind of interesting this is a short little documentary about the whole campaign with yule gibbons joel gibbons if you look him up on uh wikipedia you'll see that he he wrote some books about you know eating things from nature and natural eating and they're all stalking the whatever is the title so um this is kind of talking about how they're co-opting his appearance and actually brought him to national attention and um a bunch of jokes about him thanks to johnny carson and others um and you know this is how they were selling this really kind of bland zero so enjoy these are high bush cranberries sorry [Music] these are high bush cranberries no good 15. these are wild all for god's sake [Music] a good share of the commercials you see on television begin life here on the island of manhattan the creative product of thousands of people at the more than 200 advertising agencies headquartered in new york city one of these agencies with offices on the top eight floors of 909 third avenue is benton and bowles whose copywriters art directors and producers one day recently were busy doing what they do every day making television commercials what kind of a due date do we have on this kenny uh we have 10 working days i think that's a fair amount of time i think so yeah the strategy attachment sure is right i'll keep in touch try kenny well this is the strategy that the account team briefed us on just recently it's a new one and i think it gives us a chance to do something that's really fresh and original in the serial category really george we've been uh thinking about this ever since our visit to the factory battle creek i was gonna say one of the things that was was pretty interesting about our trip was that we found out that grape nuts is actually baked like bread it's made from natural ingredients and based on that i think we can come up with some pretty interesting executions we have as milford said some pretty solid ideas already well it sounds like you're off to a good start okay we're ready so let's get to it yep first big job of the copywriter art director team to come up with an idea a way of talking to people about grape nuts that's informative interesting and different just had a thought you mentioned bake like bread one thing we could do is uh a baker you know like that natural food expert talking about terrific even if you took the thing back a couple steps and used the wheat farmer who is certainly an expert on natural foods he would be a terrific spokesman that we were looking at the other day his name is joel gibbons uh he's studied natural foods all his life and he's written several books on the subject i think it'd be very good i think he mentioned in this article uh cranberries didn't he yeah perhaps we could base our commercial on on something like that wild cranberry should be what if we had say a scene uh in in the snow and he says something like well i'm gathering part of my breakfast and you don't see anything but snow until you get to a close-up of the cranberry and then we could go to an inside uh scene where he's putting the cranberries on the grape nuts we're gonna have him starting out in the snow picking wild cranberries if you can believe that well that's once they have the idea the art director and assistant lay out a storyboard how do you see it how about if we have them up in the mountain things yeah sort of a western type of setting a few trees standing here in the foreground when do you think you'd be able to have uh all of us together have this board together uh tomorrow uh say four well can we get it a little a little quicker than that we're kind of in a hurry for 3 30. okay okay the storyboard is a blueprint of the commercial showing key scenes in a series of still pictures i call grape nuts my back to nature's cereal and of course next turtle selling the idea to bnb's top creative man do you think that a lot of people will know who uh gibbons is we we think that a lot of people will he's written several books and sold over half okay so the last thing we're going to watch is uh uh really kind of interesting because these were not meant to be shown um they were for internal use one of them is a i believe it's called an animatic and it's basically like an ant barely animated storyboard for a potential uh commercial and you you you can see this what this commercial was and what they were trying to do which is trying to get this sense of wholesomeness of back to nature spirituality it's kind of interesting and then the final thing we're gonna watch is uh one of these um you can't call it man on the street but it's one of these you know people sitting at a table uh talking about how much they love grape nuts and i think that this this goes way too long and it's not a commercial i think they just love what this woman said about the whole eating experience and how you have to eat grape nuts it's pretty funny so enjoy people are getting back to natural foods the amish never left them natural flavor and goodness is what they're used to so we asked this amish family to try vitamin fortified post grape nuts they were pleased grape nuts was made from natural grains they liked its wholesome wheat and barley it's naturally sweet nut-like taste but hilde yoder said it all when it's like a taste of nature in a box it's really noisy it starts out noisy and if you only chew it in one side you don't get the stereophonic effect and i think it's better if you chew it on both sides so you have a sense of balance and maybe a little thing but early in the morning we all need to be balanced and so chewing on both sides gives a sense of balance to the noise and the noise diminishes the more you chew the less noisy it gets it's really interesting how did you first know that they were crunchy my tongue said this is a hard object sitting on it and my teeth said we're meeting with hard objects but they're getting softer and and then my salivary glands are saying send out more juice because you've got to get these things down because they're a little dry and then when everything's all working tongue teeth and juice going you can chew and eat them and uh the brain says yes you just consumed something crunchy and that's what i say okay prove to me by you're eating it how crunchy it is oh if it's crunch i don't know if amy vanderbilt would approve you hear that it's really loud can't you hear that i mean when you're in here it's really loud now you hear any crunching going on it's like things are grinding in here i have to grind it must be hard if it's hard it's crunchy but now it's soft it's all over did you okay so i didn't even show you the black and white i had like four hours of greatness commercials so i picked out the ones that were color in color i pulled out all the grape nuts flakes commercials i think hopefully one didn't sneak in so that's a whole totally different campaign different product uh more palatable cereal i think um but yeah so we got it we did a deep dive into grape nuts you're welcome um if you like what you saw or even if you are mildly 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