Interview with moviegoers Ricardo Juan Ponce, Susie Ponce

I'm recorded of one punch it I was born on the 8th of March 1939 and Susie Susie won't say and I was born April 29 to 1939 so tell me did you grow up in Los Angeles yes could you tell me a bit about where you grew up and whether you were a movie buff or you just went casually or well my 30 years were hunting zonal and solo that's right by the hospital mm-hmm and then we moved to 64th and main in those days we can look north on main and see the city hall mm-hmm that was the tallest building in San Jose and of course in that direction is where all the years were as far as a movie buff I suppose I did become one in the fader years in my younger years of course I was what was this sleeve to the family so speaking so I got to go when they went so could you describe what it was when you went to your whole family went to the movies is that correct or did ok Saturday's was shopping day Wendy's was washday Tuesdays thank you David I think that's that's the rumor that the soap companies passed yeah so Saturday's the big trip was we didn't have any supermarkets so the big trip was to the Grand Central Market in San Jose one third and Broadway still it was it was right next to the million dollar team and just a stone's throw from the california the-- mm-hmm and so a big outing would be going shop and then off to the movies before coming so you would actually go to Saturday Matt Matt Mayes yes and then on those special days where there was a special showing that we like to see we would go usually the California and then from there afterwards we would go to Felipe's which is now by Chinatown and those days it was around second or Turner which again was just a stone's throw from the Eider so it and they were open all night Emily so that was core theater and then go have something to eat over there so you can inventive and what was the atmosphere like in the theater were there are lots of families or was it it was I always remember the theaters as being a family type of theater and what I remember most about them being a family theater as opposed to art theaters now is that all the children were well behaved they were as interested in the movies as they were as were their parents which I don't think is the case now I know that when I was going to American theatres that wasn't always the case the thing I remember most about those theaters aside from be family-oriented is that it was a more relaxed casual atmosphere as opposed to some of the other big theatres in Santa's sleigh cut like the Los Angeles real estate both theaters they were the comparable size theaters but they were very I don't want to really see how student teachers but it was it was a short place and the California and and maybe a dollar worth of that variety doesn't mean that they were rundown they had all the facilities but they didn't have any more facilities than they needed and so that may be my memory and did you was in terms of the program you did you bring food or did you get the food there or okay yeah when how did the audience react during the Phillips okay it was like you were sitting in your living room I guess that one thing I especially remember about the California theater is in those days you had the popcorn concession and the candies but in the California they sold ice cream and I'd look forward to having a 50/50 bar mm-hmm little ice cream with with the orange powder that was for me that was the big treat recorded the eater oh good 5050 bar what's showing oh I don't know it's something dad but the films were were very good quality they were they were different in that the orchestrations and background music I was a little ahead of American films they had more of a a classical concert large Orchestra background that's music more so than the American films and the the speaking of the language was more nicely it wasn't as much slack as it was in American films of the elite era now it's tend to be very correct spoken eloquently even even if it was about a little present Indian out in the field so that that made it I remember hi aside from growing up with my grandmother I I got a lot of my Spanish from the movies mm-hmm and at one point I remember one of my uncle's remixable saying that I spoke better Spanish that he did and I get my Spanish from the movies well I don't know that I could say the same about my English and American put that in perspective so and it's like the million dollar they had stage shows did they yes no that was strictly the was their stage shows for every show were just for some programs huh I don't quite remember him having it all the time mm-hmm I believe was probably only on weekends and I think maybe it depended on who have to be in town at the time mm-hmm but it was the last when I remember seeing was the performer was Jose Feliciano he had just started it out he was a young kid then and and although all the puppy sucks the girls were just screaming a little heads up I didn't know who he was he I just happened to be there for the movie right was it so later than that he became famous yeah well you report to so well and how did you say it was like being in your living room did people talk during the movie or no they didn't they'd be right there Joel or they would take their little goodies to do but because they went to the we went to the Grand Central Market yeah oh we were carrying shopping bags shopping bags and food right food gets consumed and and that was not a problem yeah with with Penn theatres they wouldn't they wouldn't like say no you can't come in without happy babies doing theaters now that's right but now if I go to one of the theaters down you know I can't remember that the theater the cinema flicks or something over here and like any other you can get beer and wine yeah that's something new yes so it's they're catching up and do you are there any particular films or film genres that you remember that you were enamored with or you know the night on others I don't know if I can call it enamoured yeah but there is one that stuck with me all my life and that was a movie called a zoomed-in seis this is what tom total number six it was about a bunch of minors that are trapped when there's a caiman in the mind mm-hmm and how how they take to knowing that they're going to be rescued but probably not in time and and they range from in all ages but there's this one young kid that is probably 12 13 years old and this was his first going out so to speak and so there was an order minor that that tried to protect him and as they were losing air and had had no no food or anything to drink they were starting to drop like flies and so in order to save this boy's life the men cut his wrists and let him sustain himself was blood and I thought that was so true dramatic you've never seen that in America movie never ever so I think you see it now so anyway that that was one that stuck with me and of course all over the the Cantinflas movies those were those are those are big mm-hmm I mean I still look for a merry night right now and then every chance I get see you on television then glued to it and then of course there were the female actresses that I remember and like mafia physics or Miami buddy I Victoria have money have Tony at that point why do you fairies the Lord said really outside of the monarchy mm-hm Argentinian yeah yeah of course Oh whole all the Cowboys after the movies for Freddie do you remember did they change their program like every week or every few days or I I don't remember it seems to me that it was it was changed during the week like every West here every Thursday but uh probably also a function of what the movie was and whether it was a new release whether it was a fairly popular movie but I was bringing in the Bucks but for the most part it was pretty regular you could depend on writing here same times a week every week did you see I'm sure Honda in the in reruns because I know that film favor play all the way through the 50s and Mexican gears oh yeah I gotta go check around the content okay sir well you know what they do Lisa oh yes we dub you his daughter Oh didn't you yeah actually right on the neighborhood - well I just recently found out that that well I had heard he was living in our area here somewhere instead I California when he died hmm and he was and John Wayne got to meet him hmm tip visit yeah you'd think that would've known about just just before I go now if hopeful things come about and so when did you go to any other theaters other than with the downtown theaters or only good job or is a bench movies oh no we just went to the doctor excuse me we had to local neighborhood theaters but they didn't show thanks good movies mm-hmm when when when did did you see this disappear well let's see can't done there was a transition there the Orpheum Theatre was another American movie house that was a showplace forward he is and he was on Hill around 9:30 a.m. and and they started showing Spanish movies mm-hmm another routine went to Spanish and that was the probably around the early very early sixties the Mayan theater was the theater that we didn't normally frequent and that is still around it's turned into a nightclub I believe and so it seemed that the that the film populace went from from the California winter Sun main in order to to Hill and in almonds and that would that would have been around the sixties well at the same time then you have Spanish television coming in yes yes but by that time we weren't we weren't big movie cores anymore so that that had a lot to do with it had we still been movie goers we might have had a better handle on I'm just wondering disappeared started just but I think it suffered that will hey that all theatre spin yeah with the television coming in everybody much rather look at in a 9 inch round tube with a big magnifying glass for you to make them in there then to then just spend 50 cents yeah watch another King screen but you say you still do watch spanish-mexican feels on television now right yes when they're on mm-hmm tend to be a little more selective science fiction antics mm-hmm so that that actually pushed of my free watching time mm-hmm okay Susie if you could tell us a bit about your background okay it was born and raised in Los Angeles my grandparents were from Mexico and from the state of Jalisco and they came during the revolution as my husband's yeah they just wanted to escape that bad time in Mexico and so of course we you know my our parents were educated here and as as well as us of course did you speak Spanish yes I did my my crappers we live together with my grand grandparents my father passed away because he was a victim of a hit-and-run driver which killed him so my mom was a single single mom with myself and my brother to support and it was but blessing to have my grandparents to help to help my mom and so I I would say that Spanish was our first language and so then as we got closer to attending school then my mama spoke to us mostly in English and I guess that's why she gave me the nickname Susie is my real name is my dear so sign up but she always called me Susie and yeah we were very proud of our heritage very very proud and so you know I just felt very lucky that I was of Mexican descent but then of course being American to them made me also so very proud and we on the weekends would go with my mom to the California or to the million dollar and it was a big treat it was just a really fantastic treat the neat thing about the California it had a little like a little hamburger stand right next door so we could either eat there you know before going in or take our our little lunch and eat in the theater and just as my husband loved the 50/50 ice cream bars that was my my special treat - mm-hmm the movies that I really loved feathering funding he was first of all I just loved his voice and the movies that that he made were just so much about real life you know there was a movie called hobbits mm-hmm yeah and that was one of my favor tearjerkers yeah but you know we would come up I'm I just remember my mom and I sing wasn't that a good movie and we had been cried and crapped in the theater but they were just just just great don't what is m3u of course she was you know one of my favorites along with my god faidley's and there was a really cute little lady um I can't remember her name she always played the grandmother she is I digress got to see ya and she was just adorable and you could really as a young kid I could really relate to her because she she was just as sweet as my my grandmother and also we also shopped at the Grand Central Market - pleasure - my grandfather and we would well he didn't go my my grandfather wasn't a movie buff so he'd come home but I would go to show up with my my grandmother or my mother or my my uncle you know and watch these wonderful movies and gun fame plus of course was the big attraction and one thing about the California I believe it was the only the Eider that had or maybe the million-dollar as well they would have these little like brat like a raffle and you go to get a ticket you know as you entered the theater and the that would have these different little prizes that was a big attraction for a lot of people you know they would give household items that just you know a set of dishes something you know something like that I have one girlfriend that told me that she was able to go backstage and to one of the performed live performances at the million dollar and she got to meet the performer that was the biggest treat of her life I can't remember the name of the performer let's see it was just as my husband said a very relaxed atmosphere and you were there to truly be entertained I mean it was just a relaxing atmosphere to see a good movie and and sometimes did you you didn't consciously decide I'm gonna go because this movie you just went whatever was right yes Mike well my my mom or my would make the decision but I think I think we were happy with just about anything because we knew it you know it'll be a good a good movie and did you did you in any way keep up with like the stories of some of these stars or something like that the way you know teenagers keep up with Hollywood stars and their lives or was it just watching the movies and focusing on them just watching the movies yeah just watching the movies that I did get to one of the big events I was still a very young I guess maybe a young maybe I was about 18 or something like that I went to Bullock's department store in Los Angeles and just as I was going toward the elevator and I see my di Fairley's walking toward me and I thought she was beautiful very petite very slender had a very elegant suit and I think she saw as I I mean that was just kind of mr. president was kind of going toward her my mouth dropped I think she's just kind of you know gave me a quick little look and went off to do whatever she had her doing but that was that was a big treat for me yeah I loved all of the um the singing and the Lotus Del Rio how she would protect portray the indigenous people I mean that was also really fascinating for me we used to think that think that was another popular comedian yes the median will you say Dolores how she portrayed a the indigenous people yes easy because maybe in American movies you wouldn't see that those type of representations like indigenous people were actual stories yes who's playing that could you please well I would just it was just a sausage such gentleness whereas in the American movies you know the Indians were always the bad people you know and it and in a very hunt in her very humble ways as she portrayed an Indian she was just so artistic and so articulate and and that that was just that was just to me very hetero just a very inspiring very very lovely you know so that was a good role model it's a young little girl you know to see to see it that gentleness and that beauty and because a lot of people in Mexico I think in and well anywhere in the world I suppose people still look down on the lower class mm-hm you know and it's just you know I I find that very disturbing very disturbing I don't think we should look at people as individuals and see their beautiful talents no matter what shape color whatever you know whatever they do whatever their social status is so now a lot of the music that showed up in these films was also then sold as records and this was available on the radio and stuff like that so I mean people were aware of that and they would yes did you were you also into listening to the music listen we would listen to the radio most of all we didn't have a bit we are because I mean we had very low income so we couldn't spend money and records mm-hmm but my grandfather would always have music on you know from you know Mexican music but he did love the Opera you just absolutely loved the Opera and he was stand in front of that radio and and conduct was just just adorable okay so also he was just a very gentle person very artistic yeah I just was very blessed to come from such a family but yeah that was going to the theaters you know to California the million dollar the Orpheum do you remember Martine Becerra I know that name it's like a host of the median daughter who come on stage uh-huh yes I I know the name he also the radio didn't listen I had a partner with him sing songs martini oh yeah you know I know the name I do remember a host on stage presenting the shows on the million dollar I know that was a hospitai my spin so long ago that I have forgotten yeah forgotten you can't remember what happened 60 unfortunately yeah okay so you met in a movie theater yes at Paramount yes yes and the Paramount was just really nice theater and they had little steps down what was we were we must have been saying the balcony or this is a second level I admitted me mezzanine was it yeah so my friend and I my girlfriend and I were walking and as I'm trying to go down the little steps I fell I tripped my you came to my rescue is that so you caught me for life you're the hero yes and when was that old were you 15 we're just a month apart I was 16 no I was fifteen you were about to church yeah 1954 yeah it was love at first sight well yeah i yes I think it was of course and but since that time how long did you wait before you got in there five years five years yeah so you finished rolling yes so we were married at a very early age well at that time 20 was not too early I mean I was yeah that was kind of the norm the normal age and so yes we remember what movie it was we used to since we grew up in LA and we used to go to Clifton's for dates yeah and I think that was probably one of our first dates going to Clifton's and go today on weekends go to the you know to the movies that down at that time that that's what we started seeing American movies more than Mexican because we're so if there was a good showing that to California we'd go over to the Grand Central Market you know this Broadway side they had they had this whole shrimp oh my god thing but they had the shrimp is a popcorn shrimp or it's a butterfly shrimp they put a little cone so we do a little shopping and take a little coal in the shrimp oh yes it was fun it was really 11 growing up in LA and we you didn't have a part of course he was so young and of course everything was public transportation or we walked but there was better fighting with transportation back then than there is now yes I'm still the red cars the red cars the and the Huascar we lived we lived in on 21st Street to my family that's where my family lived and there was a little section and very close to downtown LA but it was a really neat community because it seemed that all of the families in these neighborhoods were they were also from Mexico and and a lot of them came from the general area that my parents came from so we all went to you know school together we went to church together neighbors knew each other it was it was just really it was like living in in a little town yeah well yeah but yes and we were poor but we were so rich and everything that we had it was really neat surrounded by a big city mm-hmm and just knowing everybody it was safe to go out and play and everything so and did that get read or been renewed out of existence sort of oh yeah well yeah what happened is that they started to a lot of factories started to move and a lot of the people moved I'd mention as the kids grew up in there moved out my mom was the last the last to leave my mom with my stepfather and they had purchased a house next door there were the very last ones in that neighborhood and it was all purchased by big companies that wasn't the biggest the biggest company there was Prudential lighting and the owners there bought just about all of the property there just all of the vibe just because they were expanding and they wanted parking lots and all of that stuff mm-hmm but they were their very last to move that's the public transportation as I say we lived on 64th and me and the streetcar ran on Main Street the old car it ran from Florence all the way to Lincoln Park and for a dime you go to Lincoln Park and of course it it stopped right for the California theater so forth Ted says you can go mm-hmm which was really me mm-hmm and and the traffic wasn't bad not like no oh yeah yeah nothing like no it was just a beautiful era that we grew up there well you know it's funny I I heard a report about the in the 20s and 30s into the 40s la had the best mass transit system in the world is that right for an urban neighbor for an urban environment literally the most efficient I can I can move and then you know after World War two the city fathers sold it sold it down the river to the lot of car companies yeah it was that really don't well as long as there were rails the street cars there was no competition from the cars and so it was fairly constant you can pretty much count done within five minutes of where you're going to land at any one given time yeah but when they went to buses in the bus at 10:00 with other motor vehicles that changed first up it's a doubtful work as well as no well one place effort we've got mentioned or been a street yeah and that was just you know really me place and we went the gene we would go on a regular Brett place basis to go to a street and and you know just just to hang out just you know to go for the food and Rico's uncle was a chef at la Golondrina which was a very popular consider the bones of mmm-hmm I guess so yeah yeah he wanted together she gave him a job when he was just a teenager and he developed into the ship and she was very politically right and so he cooked for mayors and governors Spanish film personnel would would go to him I was very it was the in place to be so we got to go on you can't sneak in free food fast it's I mean now we're I mean Lawson we're doing this exhibit also in this program which is funded by the Getty because Los Angeles now after how many decades is now a majority speaking made spanish-speaking City again and so I think that's why all of a sudden now there's this kind of remembrance of the of the spanish-speaking culture in all phases that would that was here and then he's more or less forgotten although obviously he wasn't really forgotten because you are alive and there are many like you who of course remember it but I'm talking about in in terms of like the mainstream and the press and sign kind of the cultural memory of the city as its expressed in the media yeah throughout the city yeah there were pockets he's like my wife's community there pocketed by in those days industry when we moved to sixty fourth and main it was predominantly in Italian Nero and and so there there really wasn't we were the exception we weren't really a certain part of other Latin community other Latins the Aladdin it's not just Spanish speak like but French and Italian but now you didn't necessarily speak Spanish in your home to Julie because yesterday a lot of Spanish in the movie theater and everybody would go off to work my mother was working in those days so so my grandmother had stopped working and took care of me so with my grandparents I always spoke Spanish but with your friends your agents being English he spoke English and I started to get you know kind of unfortunately kind of lose the language if you don't we speak to each other in English most of the time and because my parents needed caregivers torti in the last few years then we were fortunate enough to find some really nice Mexican ladies to take care of them and so then it was that that was really neat too because then it was like a continuation of learning might you know Mexican background through them and learn about you know where they were from and I started to speak Spanish again and it was really neat you know it's neat it's a lot of my friends have actually because of lack of practice yeah a lot of Spanish words I should mention too that la Placita the Catholic you know Church in downtown that the original they've done all they did a lot to keep that Spanish culture going you know that and and keep the Heritage going and and you know the love the love of you know people we are where we came for our families came from know it was very important very important to our upbringing so they have services in Spanish oh yes and they still do as a matter of fact now the parishes here - there's three Catholic pressures here that now prepare food on a regular basis weekly basis take it down to lifeless eat that and there are a lot of people there that gather you know to to eat and it's so nice yeah I was really impressed with these people that said they it was a very dignified thing they of course were waiting for the food but they all a lot of them got up to help set up the tables to help to serve each other yeah it's it's it's so nice and it's just so nice you know and um I'm so happy that our parishes here are helping those that just are so needy and they're not just not not only of Mexican descent but from various other but you know Latin American countries of course I mean many many more people oh yes south of Mexico huh do you guys can you remember like the title of the every one of the earliest movie star you sang Spanish unless you remember the first one do you remember the experience of going to see me in space for the first time when you we understand much or what's a very very fluid way I can give you a lot of titles I'll give me a few I'll tell you and you remember that year they were going what's called where you fight your soul or ten years old how are you well yeah we're talking about on what's theater do you stop going to sit home oh well we we went into till the sixties but when do you start letting fear lead a start I can't remember also that with the time very very young yeah just same here with me on flabbergasted I couldn't do I've been talking so so in fact families would bring very very toddlers and very very small children even if they yes and no one minded that of course yeah no no one seemed to I would never had any complaints it was just yeah but yeah we were just there to watch the movie night truly I don't remember any screaming or kids crying make me on a very rare occasion of the baby so we just give me a couple of movies are your favorite on wife much máximo Peppa was a movie about sir like a cowboy movie where where this young boy's family was abused and killed and in the in the towns of tree I support that tree it was just starting up growing and so when he was when he was Austin he he swore that he would be back the day that the tree gave its first sup with him so that would be the day that monks went that but would returned that was yeah I have so many times that they are both elude me right now at the moment you need him I know so if to somebody that doesn't know anything about Mexican films why why do you think jorge negrete or Belafonte were charismatic yet so different well they when they portrayed a character it's been mention about one of the female actresses the Indian wasn't always the bad guy and and the poor were only poor because they didn't have money if it wasn't a homeless type of being poor it wasn't an Indian that grunted you know it was it was an articulate Indian and it was an articulate poor person and they were only poor because they didn't have any money but not poor of spirit so there was always some spiritual message and each of these actors had their own way of portraying it and carrying themselves as if they were that character and they would do something to elevate that character so it that that is the thing that paid a lot of them deem that participating you know they're in the movies they were they were the good guy that one that helps all the little children and as women or they were the bad guy that would walk into a bar and could have a fight they would fight without having blows they would have because they were singers they would have Hawaii behind them and they would they would sing a song that in other words it was it like taking verbal blows mm-hmm at their opponents but of course your honor with it that with different money there was a blows back but and and they could go on like that throughout the whole movie and so that was a way of showing that there's more one way to make it point more than one way to win do either of you remember when either petrol in front or Jorge had to died because they both were so young I mean yeah you know the character died in 53 and 36 now they later died in Los Angeles he was about to debut at the million daughter oh my god I knew at the end coccidiosis he was married to Maria Faris at the time oh he was very late yeah so you since he spoke about Jorge Alberto what do you say what is there on a movie that you remember or a special character from the movie I think I mentioned it before was vomitus yeah and I oh my gosh it was so dramatic and I remember this one singing for he's I think that there was a fire in the home and and Bazarov runs in and and tries to rescue the child and I believe the child had died you know and it was it was oh and he's crying of course yeah I mean we the audience was just so yes I mean really it was such a touching scene I mean it felt as if you were living I mean it was you on the screen living that experience and and with Jorge negative thing I just think of him as just yeah I mean I liked him too but I think I remember his big hat his big black had singing and being shadow I guess you know but um he wasn't as a he didn't affect me as much as feathering fun thing yeah there was something about that is better was more he was a a military guy in the past he was an opera singer I'm highly educated whereas Peter was more down-to-earth of the people memories he didn't share in the military I got embarrassed watching all these people crying thirteen-year-old boy toy liberal party of course he did yeah you know me Ricardo montalbán like three years old he's he's going to preserve a movie called Sombra birthday oh I believe the first movie he made in Mexico because Ricardo began his career here lighter always yes the rez began the Hollywood I don't know ever seen I think I know the same I've seen some brother look like one of the first I he makes him in Mexico after 1954 yeah well there's a movie called sombrero you seen that and that I love that mo because that took me back when I thought my husband had seen it for many many years ago any search for assertions mind if I found it so we saw it and it just really took me back because it was just like being the kid again watching one of those really neat movies the only thing that was a little bit odd was the Italian actress she's very cute the one that plays the married girl they had selected her you know with all the other Mexican actresses you know I mean she was really cute and everything of course you find the turtles and oh yeah you bought the car - it was beautiful and they had a lot of the in that particular movies libretto they had a lot of the actors but I remember we remember seen a lot of actors that I had seen in Mexican movies I just I can't remember their names you are like them but I'm glad I think that movie should be shown more sobre no because it's really I mean it just it's fun it's one of the first movies to do I can be shot the location in Mexico movies weren't being shot on location very much in those days when we're done it's on stage that's a movie all those made by an American company all the money who came from Europe are you thinking about the cities no no this is sombrero that was an international production because it had appear and jelly and Victoria customer Carlos it Charisse said yes so you know you got right Kirk Posner was German I mean yeah Thomas Gomez said but Andres salt solar was in it who was big in Mexican films they saw their family under Sylvain yeah all right all of the smaller roles are being shot in Mexico there were a lot of a lot of Mexican performers their own it appeared in various number of movies and they were tied to certain types and they they came out in in some there there's a an actor actually there are twins and they would they would always come at him almost all the time in the canteen plus movies and there was one movie in which the second I can't remember it was the old guy right here and wrinkled and he he was a smoker and he played he was he played the devil at this one movie know which he'll let which was hilarious but and then he would another another movie secret freeze or you know different characters and I can't you think Arase it's God has made many movies we got a son who was a Spanish actor skinny Tom oh man yeah maybe that was it was he a twin hey I wasn't speak I was in the world I don't over know one of the ladies my mom told me they're twins well you see Cantinflas once again the character that represents the humble people and they're his skills of kunti flair how he defends Miyazaki's and justices of the powerful so yeah that thing is very strong in the Mexican films we were saying representing the the part of the humble intelligence of the of the poor class yes yeah that's what Cantinflas was and also I seen the melodrama which American people say all middle dramas actually melodrama said in a way very realistic because a lot of families immigrant families help go to a lot of heavy struggles oh yeah so when you went to see those Mexican melodramas you didn't think he was excited it was real life yes that's right yes and I think that's nothing culture we like to go and cry yes that were Americans would like to focus in those shiny set of life basically we have something with the American image that a different way of it makes the movies you went to be entertained but not so much entertained by just sitting there and being a non-participant but that's being drawn into the movie and becoming one with what's going on in the scene you you're participating and visually putting yourself there and being able to relate to different characters you participate as in radio you know you use your imagination it was like reading a book but you're listening is death and if they would describe a scene very briefly to go along with the program was about if they tell you the theorists there were a thousand Russians coming at you from the left or something in your mind you would see a thousand characters ER and so in the movies it was there's pretty much the same it painted a picture for you to be part of and that's the way you were entertained