AV Geeks @ Hunt Library

welcome everyone to av geeks at the hunt library not at the hunt library currently i'm virginia ferris this is our 13th semester of this series partnering ncsu folks with raleigh's av geeks to discuss vintage educational and classroom films skip alzheimer founder of av geeks is an empty state alum he has been for the last few decades collecting films made throughout the last century mostly 16 millimeter educational training and other sorts of how-to movies he does an incredible job sharing them with the world and he currently houses over 36 000 such films at the av geeks archive here in raleigh and shares them as stock footage for films and exhibits as research materials and during public events like this one so today's theme is let's talk about language and we're very excited to welcome our guest professor mary michaels estrada professor estrada is a teacher trainer in nc state's teaching english to speakers of other languages certificate program and in the esl add-on program her degree in area specialization is linguistics and professor estrada's approach to teaching american english pronunciation to international students at nc state has drawn campus-wide attention due to the incorporation of wolf tales the library's video oral history program she is a 2020 delta grant recipient and recipient of outstanding lecturer in the college of humanities and social sciences for 2020 2021 and we are delighted to have her join us today just a reminder that over 200 of av geeks compilations are available for checkout from the libraries and you can also visit avgeeks.com or search av geeks in youtube or at archive.org so now i'll hand things over to skip to kick us off thank you virginia um and uh the way that i have zoom set up is it's um you say something and we get to see your picture so why don't you say something hi everyone happy friday it's great to be here awesome um so i should say that because we're using zoom and i'm broadcasting it through this other thing there's there's definitely an audio lag and i apologize for that uh we'll figure this out for the next time that we do this and what i like about the the series is that you know i collect these films but a lot of times i don't really know what's behind them and so having experts like mary helps me figure out like what is it that they're teaching what is the context of this has this changed over time how we talk about these different subjects um and so mary already has filled me in some information about one of the filmmakers which we can talk about um but uh um let's see so let's go ahead and get started uh this first one is a centron film speech using your voice and i absolutely love the uh the guy at the beginning uh and the way he speaks so here it is speech using your voice [Music] looks funny see you like a nice guy i wonder what he's talking about do you know that every day someone loses a sale or creates just because he does not speak intelligently now in the next few minutes we're going to give you some examples of good and bad the first thing that every speaker should do is to learn you must be pleasing now remember these three points you must be heard you must be understood and you must be pleased both of us fall short in at least one well the fact is we spent many nights in the uh jungle looking for uh head hunters one night just as the uh the sun was going down we heard a noise in the bushes uh something was creeping towards us many of us clutter up here's another typical example student government is something we've all worked for and now that we have it we'll just make it work for us we've all given our time and our ideas and our strengths to make it possible and she's not very pleasing now let's find a part of that speaker many of his listeners won't be able to understand him and those that do would admire his sloppy speech do you know that the trouble with most of the speakers yes carelessness is at the root of most of the ills of poor speech if this speaker would concentrate upon overcoming his speech fault of saying he could be an interesting and effective speaker his carelessness make you this type of speaker now this girl is marked by carelessness because she speeds over the words of her speech just to get them said and she drops her voice at the end of sentences so her audience have difficulty in hearing and understanding his carelessness making you this type of speaker or is your carelessness the same as that of the man who runs his words together mumbles drops his g's and uses generally sloppy speech have you found yourself yet do you know what your careless speech habits are the important thing is to recognize the trouble and then take steps to correct it now let's see if we can help you first every good speaker should practice opening the mouth wider than usual as he or she speaks in this way the words can flow out and the audience can to hear you speak with life and animation yet speak deliberately use plenty of lip and tongue action this helps you to enunciate clearly so you will be understood speak in low full tones so that what you say will be pleasing and appealing to the ear don't let your voice be high shrill and unpleasant just because you're a little excited keep it low and pleasing speak with variety change pace so that each sentence doesn't sound just like the other for if you want to keep your audience interested your manner of speaking must be pleasant and interesting and finally let your voice in speaking manner reflect your own personality let it be sincere and typical of you rather than stilted and staging for instance ladies i'm so glad to see you all here and see you looking so well our subject this afternoon is flowers don't you just adore flowers honestly do you see what i mean now what you really meant to say was this i'm awfully glad that you've come out today ladies glad to see you looking so well the subject of our discussion is flowers one of which i'm particularly fond i know that many of you too share my great enthusiasm for this subject the idea is to be interesting interesting but real now are there any questions professor buehler yes won't people think i'm peculiar if i start speaking differently than i ever have before now that's a good point but i don't think you need worry about it you see your speaking voice will become more adequate as you practice the rules of good speaking and your friends won't think that you're peculiar on the other hand they're more likely to admire you for having improved your manner of speaking speak audibly so you may be heard speak distinctly so you may be understood and speak with life and enthusiasm so you may be pleasing and remember that good speech will be a great asset to you always is the mark of a cultured person and a well-developed personality take pride in your voice and your speaking manner take pride in the way you sound you have only one voice be careful how you use it [Music] so ironically um i had a mic on and it was causing this crazy booming echo sound so i apologize for that and thanks everybody for noticing that i mean we should update this film maybe say uh speech using your voice on zoom what do you think mary i think that's a great idea so what what do you think about this film how does this is this something that you talk about uh in your lectures or um well i would like to say skip that i think that the problems with this film can be traced back to one feature one single feature i think um i think first of all i think i need a wire rack like that for uh for bullet points and i'd like to if any of the viewers at home can tell us where to get one i think you know i think that would really be an asset and of course from our point of view it does seem ridiculous lots of elements of that low-hanging fruit for me is uh this sort of um offense of talking while female did that get your attention to skip a little bit you know this don't let your voice be high shrill and unpleasant is generally you know something you don't want to do and i'd like to say that that doesn't happen today but it still does 100 you know this the issue with vocal fry and up talk and uh research still shows that low voices are associated with confidence and authority and credibility and that's certainly that's true today um your question about the advice you know whether he gave sound advice i felt like it was a little vague did you well i mean to a degree um i i think that it's it's definitely pose in showing some examples of what is speech that you tend to ignore or speech that you're irritated by or speech that you don't understand so that was i think there was a value there but i don't know if it really offered um guidance beyond that not very specific he did say to sort of open your mouth wide which you know i think by the end you come away thinking that if i just open my my mouth wide and i don't talk while female and use a lot of lip and tongue action that i'll be pleasing it definitely leaves you thinking you know there's a lot of buildup about being pleasing i want to be pleasing um but not a lot of you know very good advice about about how to do that it also does bring up this issue of there's an an n group of speakers who know how to speak um and if you kind of have to ask what the rules are you don't belong in that in group of speakers who know how to be appropriate um and that's certainly something that we're sensitive to today that gets our attention and and i should say that this film is part of a series that there were a couple of films uh by centron about speech and so this is just one of them uh and would they have been used in public libraries and schools do you have information about it yeah it would be uh in uh schools that this would have been mostly um and maybe you know like uh high school or even um college uh just kind of talking about uh public speaking you know maybe they could show it at toastmasters too i don't know right and it certainly gets your attention the message is that you know the the arenas for that are appropriate for females to speak in are you know garden clubs um which which uh prickles doesn't it um i told you that i found this film on mystery science theater 3000 which i love and they called it an aunt b convention which that's great and and i do have other films that actually talk about um what's important for democracy is discussion of current events and they actually propose this is made by a different company but they propose having these speaking groups where people come together and they speak and they talk about current issues and that's the way that you help the democratic process so you know public speaking is was considered important at that time um and you know presenting your views in a way that makes sense and doesn't irritate people right it seems important of course the question is who got to come to those meetings right who was invited to this well they should they have definitely a men's group and then they of course have a women's group or a mother's group or something like that so they don't meet together heaven forbid so uh this this next film is um improve your punctuation i'm sorry your pronunciation not your punctuation that's actually another film i have uh this is also a series improve your punch uh pronunciation improve your spelling and improve your uh punctuation so um this is made by coronet uh which is a film company out of a suburb in chicago and so let's watch improve your punctu your pronunciation boy that's great here we go once here the members of the junior senior classes have this blanket this a time for good food and fun attacker walter what language is that what judgment have to turn up to i'll stop the recorder what's the matter i couldn't understand you have you written your speech sure see is this what you were saying sure you see i'm toastmaster for the banquet you are what toastmasher oh toastmaster then you'll want everyone to understand your speech won't you and you'll want them to think well of you because your pronunciation is right just reading what's there no you're not walter the page reads once a year the members of the junior and senior classes have this banquet this is a time for good and what you said reads like this that doesn't make sense no you have to say the words as clearly as they are written but i don't get it people understand what you say do they understand sure sure they do what about yesterday do you remember calling frank you told him to meet you yeah yeah corner ashton that's right ashton and steven ashland and schubert was where frank waited for over an hour titty crown i wonder who's mad or maybe it has some trouble being understood besides everybody else yes many persons have trouble being understood take your friend don for example remember the other day you asked don where he was going i'm gonna science that you still didn't know the answer to your question that's it try writing what it sounded like um science i'm gonna science lab you see he needs pronunciation help as much as you do and so do some of your other friends you called jane to ask for a date what did she say will i meet you what did she say then there was bill telling you about a movie he had seen yeah it started the orpheum theater a real genuine thriller but how can you put much stock in what bill says when he uses pronunciations like theater and genuine or remember in class when betty was reading poetry i'm going to read the village improvement parade by baesha lindsay gun salute and crowds and pigeons fly brontomeric bars go striding by shouting glory amid the cannon name oh you could understand all right but who wanted to listen so pronunciation is more than speaking clearly to be understood you want to be right and you want to sound natural you want others to respect what you say because it is right yeah but how can you learn isn't there an instruction sheet here somewhere one that came with the machine yeah sure here it is that's it and somewhere in it are some rules to improve your pronunciation what are they what's one of the rules well pronounce every syllable what's that got to do with let's look again but let's read the rule one syllable at a time pronouns you're going too slow again per month evie it's hard to go so slow keep trying [Music] now put it all together pronounce every syllable now try it easily and naturally pronounce every syllable that's better is that all there is to i mean uh is that all there is to it that's the first rule pronounce every syllable now for the second pronounce each sound correctly what's the difference between that and the first rule read it pronounce each sound correctly that means each sound in every syllable and no extra sounds that's what i'm doing that's what you're doing well let's look at the rule now read it again pronounce each sound correctly is there any difference between p e r and p r o p r o it's a short o sound pronounce pronounce each sound now is there any difference between sound and sound sound sound each sound correct correctly is that what you mean that's it walter so i should pronounce every syllable and pronounce each sound correctly what else you'll find those two rules very helpful but if you want really skillful speech apply the next as well use accepted pronunciations you mean ways indicated in the dictionary yes correct sounds and accents that's easy let's think a moment how do you pronounce this adults or adults or this coupon or coupon do you wrestle or wrestle live under a roof or roof catch or catch chin or can air or er maybe we do make mistakes pretty often or often i get it use the dictionary for accepted pronunciations yes walter but don't exaggerate you can keep all the rules and still sound natural and that's our fourth rule use natural pronunciation yes natural well those are your rules for pronunciation and if you put them into practice you'll do very well that's great if it works will my speech be improved if i use these rules will i be understood will people want to listen to me what about don would the rules help him must write slap that first rule pronounce every syllable i'm going to science lab much better we know what you said well they'll be fine will i meet you what about pronouncing each sound correctly oh that will be fine where shall i meet you that's it it's down at the orpheum theater a real genuine thriller use accepted pronunciations try theater genuine i see it's done at the orpheum theater a real genuine thriller gun salute and crowds and pigeons use natural pronunciation as you speak when you're not reading poetry gun salute and crowds and pigeons fly bronze tumeric bars go striding by shouting glory amid the cannonade well if the rules work for other people maybe they'll work for me give them a try let's listen to that recording you started to make once a year the members of junior and senior classes had his blanket once a year the members of the junior and senior classes have this banquet this is [Music] so having marbles in your mouth or having just gone to the dentist causes issues with your pronunciation it seems like yeah there's so much in this one i'm so glad that you chose this one to show because it's really fun and i'm a little worried about walter i don't know about you there's so much to take in for him i kind of imagine him like running around his little town in front of all the white picket fences with like a dictionary under his arm thinking is it coupon or coupon i just don't know um but also what i really am interested in this film is the narrator the invisible narrator's use of this mid-atlantic accent that sounds kind of pompous and quasi-british to us that um and it's kind of on its way out when this film was made in 1949 but it's cool to hear it and it it sounds pompous to us it would have been like the accent you heard from cary grant or um it's what jackie o learned when she was like at miss porter's school but now to us i don't know about you skip don't you think it sounds a little kind of pompous well i come from the midwest so it sounds great to me well that's an interesting point because the midwest is often considered like a neutral accent but there really isn't like one kind of standard american accent it's not like you can go to one place and find find it being spoken there as native speech yeah it's it's kind of problematic to say what is american english and it privileges one group right certainly i i have to say that i visited my hometown in ohio with my wife and we ate at a diner and i was sitting there and i was like listen listen to all the voices this is how you're supposed to speak this is there's no accent here at all this is how you're supposed to speak and she's like what are you talking about this is a crazy accent yeah people usually think their accent generally they often say it's how people are supposed to sound right and i mean there is there a right way to sound for american english certainly you know the invisible narrator who um from this film seems to think that there is but he has like some affected elements of his speech like you notice he said like what did she say you know that instead of what he puts the h in front um and it's like kind of niles crane i don't know did you ever watch frasier yeah it just sounds sort of ridiculous to us now um what did you think about the film well i so i definitely like it and again i i love it when they show misbehavior on for whatever the subject is so the fact that that kid is just he's giving a speech and you're just like what is he saying yeah that's awesome yeah you know i like that a lot and um you know it is kind of interesting that it it says you know as he progresses throughout the film his speech clears up more and more to where you can actually understand what he's saying but i guess that's the thing i'm wondering uh mary is in teaching english to uh people from not from this country esl do you favor is there a favor of an accepted pronunciation for things yeah that's such a good question because you don't want your students to go in class and use some a stigmatized form of english like ain't or really i mean y'all is certainly acceptable here but students need to know that that's a marker of southern speech right um but also today from fr from our point of view we feel like an authentic speech makes someone more trustworthy whereas i think then authentic felt um formality was something that you maybe felt you trusted more like i noticed in biden's inauguration speech he said unity unity and that that t is a flap t which is one thing that's sort of circling around in the film um so instead of saying unity he says unity which is really kind of a hallmark of american speech and if you can flap your t in your inaugurate presidential inauguration address you can certainly say that it's accepted speech but this uh the narrator here is trying to sort of tell him he can't use that form of the tea and i think i think it's very interesting students want to know what is proper english and you know you're reluctant to to tell them what is right and what is wrong but it's like a on a continuum you know so um y'all is certainly appropriate and widespread at nc state's campus they'll hear it i encourage them to use it if they choose um ain't is also part of southern speech but is a stigmatized form so things like that what you try to point out interesting all right so we've got uh one last film here and what i like is that um i've put on your little thing that you're an mst 3k fan and that was one of the first things that you when i sent you the films to preview you're like this one was shown on msd 3k so it was very exciting but you actually did when you saw this next film your first speech you actually did a deep dive and you found a film and then we'll talk about this afterwards but you found another film that this uh director made that was um about bigfoot which is pretty awesome um so we'll talk a little bit more about that but this is um your first film i'm sorry your first speech and the idea behind this is everybody in junior high or high school had to do a speech where they got in front of everybody and did you know had note cards and they said you know this is a speech this was an introduction to public speaking because uh real citizens that's what they do is they do public speaking occasionally so here is your first speech this is a film about speech about making your first speech and these students will soon be giving their first speeches they're just like any other group of students lively interesting and talkative most of the time but like almost everybody else get them before an audience and they don't know what to say or how to say it carl is like that he thinks that making a speech is a complicated and difficult job actually a good speech is a simple thing composed of only three parts an introduction a body and a conclusion mr wallace yes ed what do we do when we're giving a speech what do you mean well uh what do we do with our hands the best thing is just to leave them right at your sides while we're on the subject of the speaker what's the right thing to do with your eyes well i'd say look at the audience yes look right at them all the time what about posture you mean the way you stand yes be relaxed that's right but don't what don't lean or slouch around stand up straight yes most of the things we've said add up to one good rule be yourself when you're in front of an audience be your best self now before you go your assignment for tomorrow will be to deliver your first speech what we talk about pick a hobby or a trip or something interesting to you but above all remember something you enjoy and will like telling the class about mr wallace how long do we have to speak make this a three-minute talk all then set is dismissed until tomorrow mr wallace yes carl about my speech for tomorrow how do i get started well do you have a minute carl sit down now what's this about getting started well i think i have an idea to talk about you know like you said something i'm interested in okay what's your topic well deep sea fishing good first your introduction something brief and simple and to the point why don't you try it well like this uh to me the greatest fun in the world is deep sea fishing fine do you see what you've done you've opened with a good clear statement of what you're going to talk about but carl yes mr wallace don't begin with all all right i want tomorrow [Applause] so carl and mr wallace discussed how carl could develop the body of his talk by telling about deep sea fishing telling two or three important things about it and an interesting story about his experience as a deep sea fisherman for his conclusion carl could sum it all up in a single statement carl has a lot of things to remember besides what he wants to say stand up straight but be relaxed keep the eyes on the audience voice strong and loud enough to be heard by everyone and don't forget leave out the odds quite an order for a beginner but carl knows the more he practices the better he'll become you have your speech ready yeah so do i i'm nervous me too close everybody else jim fuller here ed hensley here linda hoffman here all right we're ready to begin with your first speech remember the things we discussed i put them on the blackboard so that you can keep them in mind your introduction your body and your conclusion and when you're delivering your talk have relaxed but easy posture good eye contact with your audience voice strong enough so that everyone can hear you and please don't have any oz in your speech to me the greatest fun in the world is deep sea fishing one trip i will always remember is a trip down to baja california left saturday night to go fishing sunday morning we arrived at san felipe which is in the gulf of california saturday night and went to the hotel to go up the next morning sunday morning we went out and caught the boat that we were going to go fishing on we left out there and it was a beautiful sunny day and prospects look very good the first fish was spotted in the shipmate hooked it and handed the pull to my father he played it for about an hour and finally brought it aboard after my father caught his fish then it was my turn i've been waiting for this moment for a long time and i sat in the chair where you catch the fish and waited for the shipmate to hand me the pole if we ever spotted one we drove around looking for a marlin for quite a while and after a while we spotted one they started throwing bait overboard to draw the fish's attention and then he hooked one of the hooks with the bait and tried to lure it before long the martin grabbed this bait and the shipmate handed me the pole i was very excited i never had a fish this big on my line before i i knew what to do because i had instructions beforehand and after a while the fish started taking off real fast and i was very i didn't know quite what to do so i just let him go i found out after a while that he had to just keep playing the fish for a while because you can't really tell what they're going to do they're a real fighter and i kept fighting the fish for half an hour he'd just make runs and runs and runs and i was very tired my back was hurting from the strain of the line but i still want to catch this fish worse than anything so i kept fighting it and he was tiring slowly but it was going to take a long time and i knew that i had to just out fight him the fish was slowly starting to lose his some of his strength as i knew his runs weren't as powerful and as fast as they had been and sure enough after a while his he you could tell that he was just about ready to bring in he was wasn't going jumping or anything like that anymore and i kept fighting him and i was almost dead tired i was sweating and i was real tired and they brought the fish in and the shipmate gaffed it and brought it aboard and it was a pretty good size fish and i was sure excited over it i had a lot of fun on that trip and i'll always remember it therefore of all the interesting things i could think of to talk about deep sea fishing would be the first you should all try it sometime [Music] now carl knows he can do it his first speech is over and he's more confident now he'll be looking forward to his next speech [Music] [Applause] [Music] mary i can say that uh i remember my first speech in front of my classmates and i was not looking forward to doing another one was it about marlin fishing it was not and i i can't remember what it was about um i think it was based on something that we had read it was like a book report where we stood in front of the class that gave a book report and uh yeah it wasn't good it's memorable that first speech it is a big deal yeah yeah so um what are your takeaways before we talk about the director and uh his other work uh what are what are your takeaways uh with this is this something we still do is for students to get in front of other students and absolutely we do i it got my attention that there didn't seem it is a challenge to make your first speech there wasn't a lot of rigor in that assignment i don't know if you felt that way but i think today's students are certainly more challenged they looked like i was thinking high school early high school what were you thinking i it was either that or junior high they seemed pretty young pretty young yeah and i was sort of expecting carl to get pinged for a couple of his uhs in there but uh the movie didn't go into that it was overall a success for carl we can be happy for him yes um so i did get some questions i kind of proposed to our follow people who are watching uh did they have questions for you yeah and so i've got the first one is um and i'm paraphrasing to what is or was the united states version of received pronunciation and do we really teach or value it anymore and this is kind of an offshoot of what you were talking about a little bit yeah that's a great question because we don't have um something that unites our country the same way that receive pronunciation does that's like the queen's english but but this narrator and that the second film was sort of getting around that it was this mid-atlantic um accent that really never took off after world war ii but we've we've struggled with this idea of having a unified speech but i think we we have conflict around that because we want that uh that national identity but at the same time it implies that there's one kind of speaker that's above the others and then when you try to to take it out of geography or culture and and just sort of mandate elements of speech that's that doesn't work either and that was sort of what you have here so that's why we don't say what is your question and somebody else had another question which is with regional accents are we losing them no i think research shows that we're not losing them while we do have um sort of people moving to cities and we do have change but language always continues to change that's what makes it so fascinating and exciting to study interesting and do you feel that have there been studies where they they showed that dialects would sometimes because of social media or because of this kind of connectivity in the internet that dialects would would pop around what's fascinating to me about that is that text language is the first written spoken language right so you have so much change happening in um in social media and it's it's a lots of change there very exciting to study and and a great time to be alive interesting so where do you fall on uh emojis use them love them recommend them but has anybody i hate them i can't i can't take it it's too much and also you know i had smartphones where or i had like crappy phones where i couldn't figure out how to do the emojis so yeah i'm always like four steps behind but are they have their are their studies being done on emojis and i know that there were translations somebody translated moby dick into emoji yeah and there's so much more data because you know we have the internet to track how language is changing in a way that we've never had it before i mean you would have to to record to get data on on spoken speech you had to go out with your tape recorder and record people talking and try to make it natural but now we have all this aggregate data that's electronic and preserved so yes definitely i mean the the old crotchety man in me says kids today they're emojis they're darn emojis um right until you recognize how much creativity and energy and to me um how much life there is in online communication so i would say it's not a stunted form of communication it's a new form so part of me is in your camp skip because i have four kids and you know but at the same time you start thinking about like the amazing um intellectual power and creativity and the way that girls are changing speech and online writing is just fascinating interesting all right so let's talk about the research that you did on the uh the filmmaker of the last film what did you discover so i was interested in i just simply googled the director and producer because i thought that was kind of catchy the way they had their names type written on the envelopes you can see like the hand and the frame and it turns out that the director and producer had also just completed um a film and what was the title of that film it was teenagers battle the thing and then it was and that was in 1958 and then it was remade into the curse of bigfoot in 1978 and like i told you skip i had to watch i recommend this weekend that everybody watch it this weekend because it's hilarious and so you said you're a fan of a mystery science theater and these films that are well they're not the best so this you feel that this meets that criteria absolutely absolutely it is not the best and in that it is very entertaining well i will let you in on a secret and that is that the first film speech using your voice uh the people that made that film also made a horror movie called carnival of souls which you should definitely check out a carnival of souls is available it's in public domain and it's available a lot of different sources and it features i think at least one of the actors that we saw in the educational film actually shows up in carnival souls and it's a pretty awesome film it's very creepy um and it's before uh night of the living dead and it definitely influenced night of the living dead it influenced a lot of uh horror filmmakers at the time so is there a lot of crossover with your educational films you know you have somebody who's got something up and running and then they just kind of for for hire do an educational film on the side with the same set and yeah yeah they pay the bills um that happens uh what's interesting is that you sometimes you have people on their way up and this happens with the actors as well you have people who are on their way up they start off doing like regional educational films or sponsored films and then they eventually get like a big break and they show up in a movie feature film or tv uh dick york is a perfect example of this dick york was in a bunch of coronet films and other uh films and then eventually he uh did great and so that same thing happens with the directors and the filmmakers is that they're on their way up the other thing that happens is on their way down so you know now they're looking to pay the bills uh they had their big break and it didn't go anywhere and now they're just trying to get some uh money to pay the bills like a side hustle side hustle yeah i mean and it's it's fine and you know not everybody needs it's not like i would say that they're a failure but i would just say that okay they just weren't going to make money doing feature films or doing like major television so they went back and they scaled back their lives and they would show up in public service announcements or they would show up and sometimes that would happen because it was court mandated because somebody drove drunk or did something and the judge decided that they had to do this film an educational film uh but um it's yeah it's that's why i like these educational films is that one the regional so you actually do get to hear the dialects of people from all across the united states that you wouldn't normally see in a hollywood film um and the other thing is you see people and places and these things that are not normally covered by regular hollywood so it's it's really kind of fascinating in that regard um but then yeah you get to see like a name and say like oh that person later on did this other amazing thing so yeah there's a whole whole interconnected backstory or back stories with these films it's fascinating yeah excellent so um we got a couple more minutes um is there anything that you would like to speak about because i definitely have a question about vocal fry oh let's let's let's hear it what is it and how did it get to where it was and then it was i guess at some point everybody was complaining about it um and it was almost always related to women is that correct yeah yeah why do you think it was related to women i'm just curious you know what from your perspective well can you like mimic vocal fry so that we all know what it is yeah like you know once uh see how's that yeah so where you're hitting your lower register and your voice starts to waver and it's like a crackling sound and it has to do with our social judgments about women and authority and women speaking definitively and um it's not something i think our culture should be very proud of but it's certainly real and there was a lot of attention given to certain uh broadcasters or um np people associated with npr women particularly who would have these podcasts and they just got inundated with criticism for vocal fry certain speakers who had it as an element of their voice and just raked across the coals for it people said it was grading and irritating i think generally it has just to do with their feeling of conflict about women speaking with authority right because i certainly alec baldwin in uh 30 rock they actually make fun of it the fact that he does a vocal fight it's him and i can't remember the other actor but they're both like doing this you know that the vocal fry to each other yeah and it's hilarious and batman has a the new batman had a vocal fry is that correct oh i don't know i need to listen to it i don't know if it's new it's the christopher nolan batman had and oh he had an affected voice did it bother you in the film well i thought it was you know i thought it was a i didn't like it no didn't like it it got your attention it got my attention and it made me think like oh that's like a vocal fry you know and he's using it to be ominous and menacing and um scary yeah yeah excellent um well thank you so much uh virginia are you around yep yep right here uh thank you so much professor estrada and skip both of you this has been really really interesting um and everyone remember to visit avgeeks.com for more information and check out compilations when the library's physical collections are back open our next show is in two weeks on friday february 5th at 3 p.m and it's called let's talk about work with david zonderman professor zonderman is professor in department head in history at nc state and we'll be featuring vocational films about work and workers so tune in then and until then you can watch previous av geeks at the library shows through the library's website so thanks have a great weekend thank you so much everybody take care uh mary uh thank you again any final words no thank you so much this is very fun awesome and you said and the name of the film was teenagers teenagers battle the thing and it's on we figured it's on youtube and you can watch it yes and and you can watch the expanded version the curse of bigfoot 1978. wow that's awesome all right everybody everybody have a good weekend and some of you i'll see you on monday alright everybody take care you