AV Geeks 16mm Lunch 2-11-2026

All right. I have turned the microphone on. I can see you can see like right here there's a little LED. It's blue. When I do this now, it's It's blue and you can hear me. So, that's the safeguard that I have in place. And sometimes I lightly touch it and it doesn't work. Anyways, welcome to the AV Geeks Lunchtime streaming show. Uh, I'm Skip Alzheimer and I'm joined by Oliver Gein. Hi, everybody. >> Uh, Oliver uh came down uh both these guys came down uh to look at some films and to talk about some stuff. and Oliver and I have worked together on different projects over the period of time. I've gone up uh and um done some digitizing work uh at uh your wife's uh art house theater >> green belt cinema >> and uh we've also gone to conferences together uh he was at the bastard film encounter uh etc. and Skip is a great guest for Intro to Cinema uh at University of Maryland where I teach. Um often specifically gets mentioned in course evaluations as a highlight of this semester >> because I bring a projector in and that's exciting. >> All right, so uh we're going to get started with a film that I have on the scanner here. Uh, and this is a film that you pulled because I've actually put uh both these guys to work. Uh, Schllein Films because we have a lot. Uh, and so, uh, you found this film. Uh, >> just it was I was like, "Oh, look." >> Um, >> and you're interested in films of the DC metro area. Is that correct? >> Exactly. Yeah. Okay. A regional film for me. >> All right. Well, here we go. This is Friends in DC. I've shown this before, but we're going to show it on the scanner. Enjoy. Hi, I'm Robert Edwards. Let's be friends. I live in the nation's capital. I live in the eastern part of the United States in the District of Columbia. Arts a lot of fun in school. I live in Washington. The city was named for George Washington. This memorial to him has stones from all 50 states. Washington was the first president of the United States. Our president lives in the White House. His working offices are here, too. The president recommends laws to Congress. He also signs laws decided by Congress. The president is the elected leader of the American people. Washington has been the capital of the United States since 1800. Congress meets here in the capital. Men are elected to Congress by the people of all 50 states. They work here to decide laws that govern our country. Law is also the work of the Supreme Court. The nine justices of the highest court in the United States meet here to judge important cases of law. Their decisions affect all Americans. Washington's a beautiful city. >> Ready? >> Yeah. >> Come on. Okay. Help. All right. So, that was not Encyclopedia Bratannica shutting me down. That was the scanner misbehaving. Uh, and that is frustrating. Uh, because I would hope to rely on this to be able to show you stuff, new stuff, uh, Premiere new. Um, but so, what' you think? >> It was nice. I learned something. I didn't know about the Washington Monument being composed of stones from all 50 states. >> Oh, I didn't know that either. >> And I liked the emphasis on Congress actually being a functional part of the government. That was interesting. >> Yes. U we look fondly to our past. The 70s, you know, Nixon was not great, Vietnam was not great, but there were some great things happening in the 70s uh that I look fondly to. So that was uh I talked to you about this before, but this was one of the shorts that would be shown on Saturday morning as uh retirea educational content that would kind of say like, all right, Saturday morning's not just violent cartoons and ads. Uh here's some educational content. So this was uh one example of that. Uh there's also uh some other ones that kind of came out uh around this time. There's one called Hot Dog which is kind of shows how different things are made and it's narrated by comedians of the time like Jonathan Wyinners and Woody Allen, >> Joanne Worly. >> Um and so yeah. >> No. Do you know how many others were >> maybe 12 or so? Like I did a compilation of these um at one point. >> Um but yeah, no, they're uh they're pretty great because they look all over the country. So you get to see what the city looks like in the 70s. Also, they go to places like Alaska, they go to a Pueblo. Um, so you get to see also some diversity in that. >> Yeah. >> Um, >> I'll see if I can uh show it around in DC and see if we can figure out uh what that kid is up to. >> No, that would be great. Yeah, I love tracking down people who were in these films. All right, so this next film is one that you had asked me about years and years and years ago, >> and you were asking me about this series. Tell me more about what you were asking. >> It was the sixth grade and we would watch we had a a part of the curriculum that year was watching films about uh civil defense, so about nuclear attack and about uh various natural disasters. And so, um, I I remember seeing films about how to handle a, uh, an atom bomb going off near you, which was, you know, if you go to the fallout shelter and then you brush the dust off of yourself, the radioactive dust. Um, and and then there were these, you know, films about hurricane, tornado, and the hurricane film might have been specifically about Camille. Um and then there was tornado and tsunami which you know we were 6 hours inland from the Gulf of Mexico. I think they were just showing the set, right? But this film um I remember especially vividly Heatwave um because there is a moment in it uh where this kid is playing basketball and he falls and he hits his head on the on the concrete >> and it just it stuck with me um over the course of you know 30 plus years and I mentioned it when I was teaching film preservation to my students of like having this memory and then I was like oh wait I should see if it's up somewhere And I I came to the ABge Geek site and there it was. >> Yep. >> And uh it was a little different than I remembered. Like I watching it now I realized that oh he falls because he has a muscle cramp. >> Like I thought he passed out like in my memory. Um but the other thing that I realized now is that it's become an unintentional climate change film. Yes. >> Because the temperatures that are classified as a heat wave in Arizona in this film are like barely over a hundred. And you know this is a part of the world where now hot is 120 um plus and you know they've gone months over 100. So that was really interesting too. All right. So this is part of the series uh your chance to live that uh were released by the civil defense US civil defense uh and uh so here's heatwave. Enjoy. Enter the sun whose warmth reaches out across space providing the delicate balance which makes life possible. Enter man whose frailty as a creature of temperature is too often overlooked. And here comes the weather report, but believe me, it won't be news. It's just like the one for yesterday and the day before that. Temperatures in excess of 100° are expected to continue for at least the next >> Hey, Eric. >> Hey, man. >> Hey, I got me some great idea. Why don't we go down to school and play some basketball? >> Can't you just sit still? Didn't you hear the man just say it was over a hundred? Nothing's moving. >> Maybe 100. Just maybe. But let's go. You got to work on your left anyway. >> Okay, let me fill the thermos with some water. >> Water? You need water for? You're young. Come on. You're going to have to learn to discipline yourself. You want to be a ball player. Besides, you can do without it if I can. >> Maybe you can do without it. When my body says drink, I want a drink. You think taking a drink is copping out? >> Yeah. >> You're nuts. >> I know, but it's too hot out here. And you know what this heat can do to you? >> I never felt better in my life. >> That's what you're going to say the day you die is that you've never felt better in your life. >> Well, I never have felt better in my life. I won't work too hard. I'll just put it around a little bit. >> The thing is, you shouldn't be out here at all in this heat. You know what the doctor said. Why don't you come in and sit down and relax? >> Cuz I don't want to. Heat is just a state of the mind. I won't be out here too long anyway. >> Okay, you'll be sorry. You know how sick you get in this heat, so please just take it easy. >> Oh, you sound like my mother. version has trapped some pretty stagnant air here and it's not likely to move on for a while. If you've got a respiratory or heart condition, get someplace cool and stay there even if you think you're too young and strong to be affected by extreme weather. Youth does not have a corner on doing the wrong thing when it comes to reacting to temperatures and humidity that are very high for a long time. The old, the young, and the middle-aged can all understand the danger they can see or feel. A tornado or an earthquake, for instance. But when it comes to something like heat, they sometimes don't take it seriously. They should for man can live comfortably naturally only within very limited parameters of temperature. Anything beyond those parameters if not compensated for can cause illness or death. What is so tragic about most people who get sick or die from strenuous activity in great heat or humidity or just long exposure to it is that it can be so easily avoided. Some people of course have to work out ofdoors when it's hot. But these people usually know how to prevent loss of strength, cramps, exhaustion, or stroke that heat can bring on. They know enough to wear light clothes, to drink water, to take salt tablets, to stay away from heavy foods. It's those people who don't have to be out in the heat, those people who insist on testing themselves against the heat, who generally wind up in trouble. Temperature is 98 degrees. It is expected to go over 100° later in the day. The record high for the state recorded in 1935 has already been topped. Reports reaching our newsroom indicate an increasing number of people who suffer from respiratory or heart conditions are being severely and adversely affected by the continuing heat, humidity, and bad air. The National Weather Service does not expect a break in the heat for at least 3 days. >> Wait a minute, man. >> Huh? >> I'm tired. tired. >> Yeah, I'm tired. >> Yeah, man. >> What's the matter? >> Yeah, I'm just tired. I'm going to go over there and sit down, take a rest. >> Oh, man. >> The point is that very few people have to be trapped by the heat. They have alternatives. The trouble is that they don't use them. They can get where it's cool, out of the sun, indoors. They can relax, take it easy. But all too often they don't. And if they must go out, they can be careful to replace their body's depleted liquids by drinking water. But too often they don't. Oh man, it hurts. It hurt. Hey man, get up. Get up, man. >> Come on. Hop over to the Hop over to the Come on. Come on, man. You all right, man? >> It hurts. >> What happened? >> I don't know down, man. >> Heat takes its toll. Its effects build up over hours and days. What happened? >> Strenuous activity and high temperatures cause sweating. And sweating dries out your body and drains it of the salt it needs. >> This kind of activity, regardless of the physical condition of the person involved, can lead to painful muscle spasms. >> The first one out. >> Yeah. >> You all right? >> It still hurts a little bit. >> Come on, man. I think we better jam. For most people, listening to the warning signs sent out by their own body will stand them in goodstead during times of extreme heat. Sapped energy means slow down, relax. Being thirsty means drink. Being very hot means get where it's cool. Mommy, what happened to you? Oh, honey. I told you not to go outside. It was too hot. Oh my god. Take it easy. The doctor told him to take it easy. All right. So, Charlie You may not be able to do anything about the heat except try to avoid it. >> And in the long run, that's the very best thing you can do. Folks, we've just got this latest weather report in from the National Weather Service. Forget all earlier reports. It's a new record for this day. New high. It's 105 degrees, still climbing. So, uh, were you able to process the uh the trauma. >> Yeah, watching it repeatedly is is helpful. Um exposure therapy. Uh so yeah. >> Okay. Yeah. So uh you have uh you and your wife via the uh green belt cinema. >> Yeah. >> You now have a collection of 1500 16 mm films. >> This is correct. Yes. And we're also starting to work on the legacy collection at University of Maryland, which is bigger. It's like 2500 3,000 titles. So I am I am in it. >> You're in it? Yeah. So >> happy to be in it. >> Yeah. So I gave him some experience of moving films even though you have had experience of moving films. >> Not as much as I got over the >> Yeah. I think that we have uh >> if we continue after the show, we're going to probably hit past the number of films that you have >> probably. Yeah. >> So, that's the plan. And that's your deal is you come down to Raleigh. Um >> get to work. >> You get to work, you be on the show, and then we uh extract as much work out of you as we can >> and uh and fried chicken and donuts. >> That's right. Yes. So took them to Bojangles and then they showed up with uh donuts from Crispy Cream and some coffee which is >> Yeah. >> Yes. All the healthy food items that Raleigh, North Carolina offers. >> I've forgotten how dangerously tasty both of those things. >> I know. It's really amazing. All right. So, we're going to bring back our old friend from yesterday who's uh And thank you, Oliver. >> Yeah. Yeah. Happy to do it. >> All right. So, >> I love your shirt. >> Thanks. That's >> It's from Pol. Yes. >> Um, so were you alive when Polit came out? >> Uh, no. I was born in ' 84. Yeah. >> So, yeah. >> No, it was great when it came out. It was nuts. Uh, all right. So, we're back to some of these films that you were interested in about this book that you're working on. Uh, remind us again what you're >> Well, I'm I'm working on educational film and comedy. So, US and some German, Austrian stuff. And I don't know how like funny haha the film is going to be. There's there was like a funny in the in the plot description. It may be a case the next film that it's about me being homesick already because it takes us back to Austria. >> Oh, so there's an Austrian film. Yeah. And we showed one uh we watched one together last night and maybe I'll I'll pull that one out and we'll watch that. that and like the one that we that that we watched. This will be about Tiroll. So, a province in the mountains. They seem to be up to some crazy stuff and I needed to go to North Carolina to find out. >> Okay, here we go. So, this is Magic Pipes. Enjoy. Yeah. Glory glory. Glory. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Holy, holy, holy. Once upon a time, as all good stories should begin, a great castle was built above the town of Kubstein in Austria's beautiful Tolian Mountains. In time, the castle came to have a very special meaning for the people of Kstein. For in this castle is one of the grandest organs ever heard. So fine and strong is its music that it can be heard all through the valley for miles around. In Kofstein, as in all of Austria, custom and tradition are very important. This is a land in which many of the greatest musicians and composers of all time lived and created the music that made them and their nation famous. Mozart, Schubert, Beethoven all set these mountains singing with the beauty and majesty of their works. And so, according to tradition, at certain times of day, the great organ is played to honor these great composers and the land and people they so often celebrated. And to the people of Kushine, the organ recital came to mean even more. For here many of the old ways remain, as if time had passed this beautiful valley by and left the pretty town unchanged. Along the streets, the shopkeepers open for each new day with friendly greetings to the passers by. The many craftsmen go about their artful work, just as others have for centuries. The farmers till the fertile countryside along the valley, and the people in their dress and customs often seem figures from a history book or players in some opereta. For years, people from other lands have come to Kstein to see what life was like in an earlier and who can say perhaps a finer time. And so when the people of Kubstein hear the organ, it is a sign that custom and tradition are alive, that things are as they should be. It is not surprising, then that as he makes his way along the streets on his way to work, Herm, the organ meister of Kstein, receives a very friendly wave and greeting from those he meets. Among his many friends were two of whom Herm was especially fond. Little Ysef and Elizabeth, who lived nearby, often went with Hermüer when he played the organ. in summer and winter. Although the great pipes and bellows of the organ were high up in the castle, the magnificent console with all its buttons and knobs and pulls and stops and pedals was in a special place near town. Here the children would watch her mother go through all his elaborate preparations as he made ready to play. And they listened attentively when Hermiller told them again how the town's people of Kushstein when they heard the organ knew that things were as they should be. Herm Müller was pleased. It was only right, he often said, that in the land where Mozart and Schubert and Beethoven had performed so brilliantly as young people, that the children should be interested in the music and above all in the tradition. One day, so our story goes, as her Miller and the children were walking home, Ysef said, "Mister Miller, we were wondering, but he didn't finish." "Yes," said Hermiller, "you were wondering. We were wondering, began Elizabeth, what would happen if, but she didn't finish either. Yes, yes, said her mother. You were wondering what would happen if. Then suddenly the children said together, "We were wondering what would happen if one day the organ didn't play when it was supposed to for the people of Kstein to know that things were as they should be." Here, Müller frowned. Hm. He said, "To tell you the truth, that question never occurred to me. I'll have to give it some thought." And the three of them continued on their way home, each deep in thought. That evening, the organ master dined alone, his thoughts very much distracted. "What if it should happen?" he asked himself again and again. "What if indeed In the morning, after a sleepless night, he was still deeply preoccupied as he made his way through the early streets to the great console. It was so early, in fact, that the children were nowhere about. Just as well, thought her, for I don't yet have the answer to their question anyway. At the console, he went through his elaborate preparations. He even went through them twice. But something was different, and he felt tired and listless. "Not enough sleep," he told himself. But since there still was time before the recital was to begin, he put his head down just for a moment. When he opened his eyes, Herm realized with a start that some time had passed. But among all the buttons and knobs, there was a strange new button. He had never seen it before. And on the button, it said, "What if?" Hermula was amazed, but there wasn't time to delay. He brought his hands down for the first great majestic cord and nothing happened. He tried again and again. Nothing happened. All across the land, there was no sound from the great organ. The town's people paused, as was their way, expecting to hear the organ, but there was nothing. Puzzled, they waited, and they began to wonder if things were as they should be. At the console, her Müller was distressed. Something is very wrong here, he said. And he looked at all the buttons and knobs and pulls and stops. Everything seemed to be just right. And then he remembered the strange new button marked what if. He reached over and pushed the button in, then raised his hands and began again. A beautiful sound rolled out across the valley. Her Mueller smiled. The town's people smiled. But then a strange thing happened. No matter how her Mueller played, the music began coming out faster and faster. He played more slowly and still the music went faster. And this, of course, had an odd effect on the town's people. Now they feared that things were not as they should be because everything began going very strangely for them, too. Even when her mur stopped playing, the strange fast music continued. Perhaps he thought, the trouble is in the bellows. So he hurried up the hill, going just as fast as the music itself. But he could not find the trouble in the bellows or the pipes. Then he remembered the new button. That must be it, and he rushed back down to the console. Now the whatif button seemed to have a mind of its own. Nothing he could do would slow the music. Finally, he gave it a mighty wiggle. And then an even stranger thing occurred. The music began playing backwards. And now the town's people knew that things were not as they should be. For they too were going backwards. And for poor hair Mueller, things not only were not as they should be, they were going from bad to worse. It was the strangest thing he had ever heard. And still he couldn't stop it. All throughout Kushstein, the strange music and even stranger events continue. Then suddenly the organ meister heard a new sound. Someone was calling his name. Her muer it is time to play the organ. The organ master opened his eyes. It was the children. They were shaking him and calling to him to wake up. You've been sleeping, they said. Hurry. It's time to play the great organ so the people of Kubstein will know that all is as it should be. You mean said Hermuler greatly relieved things are not going too fast nor too slow. Things are not going backwards in Kstein. Very carefully Herm looked at the place where the new button had been, the one that had said, "What if?" And it was no longer there. The children laughed. "Whatever are you talking about, Hairmeister?" They said, "This is no time for jokes. The organ must play." Joyously. He raised his hands and began to play. And all throughout the valley, the people of Kubstein paused and listened. And when they heard the beautiful music rolling down from the great organ, they knew, as they had for generations, that things in Kukstein were as they should be. The children too were happy, but they also knew that things in Kofstein were as they should be. And as for their question, well, they didn't find out on that day what would happen if the great organ didn't play. And as far as we know, they never will. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. So I was concerned. >> I mean this is what happens when you invite an Austrian in I'm I'm paid by the tourism board. I was like where is we got a lot of stock footage of Austria but and the story is just but so you didn't know this Norman Rose who's another like famous 70s narrator who did a bunch of ads for AT&T back in the day also uh and I will show uh him when we're showing this next film there is a movie that he was in called the telephone book where Norman uh appears, but he's wearing a pig mask and he is essentially known as the greatest obscene phone caller of all time >> with this silky smooth >> with a silky smooth voice and uh it's about this young lady who is trying to find him because she gets a phone call from him and she's like, "Oh my god, this is the most amazing uh obscene phone call I've ever received." >> Does he talk about big or there too? Well, so that's the thing is like when we were watching this film, Magic Pipes, you were because it was not funny at first. We were coming you were coming >> I mean before it became sidelit. >> Yeah. Yeah. Before it really did. Um you were coming up with uh porn parody titles of that film and it was what Mueller's >> Mueller's big organ >> big organ or magic organ or his magic pipe uh various things like that. So that's where our brains went >> because I think it could shine. So this is the this is the tourism bought me. I read that Kushn I think they have the biggest open air organ in Austria. So that's the this is the thing they have no ugly that they are >> um >> showing off. >> Yeah. So um I will say having remembered being a child uh and watching films any footage of people that's being played backwards in in fast motion is hysterical. So the second part of this film is so good. First part not so much, but there you go. Uh so this reminds me uh so I showed a film to you last night uh which uh I think is intentionally funny and it is basically a series of pranks uh played for science purposes. Uh and I've shown this before. This is living uh in a reverse world. And you said that this takes place in the same region. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's the same province of Austria to the west and lot of mountain areas. So they seem to be I don't know what's going on over there, right? >> But this is the this is the jackass of university lecture films. >> The jackass of university lecture films. There we go. All right. So here's living in a reverse world. Enjoy. It is not at all easy to explain why you should perceive the motion picture screen to be in front of you. images. Nothing but images are given to us by the eye. No one can tell from an image where the thing is. If I look at you through a tube this way and then again this way the picture in my eye is the same. Nevertheless, this way I see you in front of me and this way on my right. How is this possible? Because I feel at once the different positions of my head and eyes in relation to the rest of my body. What we take to be seeing really depends on another sense, the body sense or touch. In early childhood, it was hard to learn to coordinate seeing and touching. They cooperate with one another if one is not lightaded. But a few drinks are all that is needed to break up the proper coordination of feeling and seeing. The simplest way to break up the cooperation of seeing and touching is a mirror. Looking into a mirror, one sees in front what is really behind and therefore one reaches in the wrong direction. But the sensation of touch produces a kind of reversal of seeing. Here is a wet sponge slapped on his back. Now he feels as if he had eyes in the back of his head. It is similar when you feel things in this way. In this case, the fingers, the sense organs are in front of you. But nevertheless, the touched object is immediately perceived as behind. Now for the second experiment, the eyes perceive right and left with the help of the body sense. A mirror prism like this makes a world in which right and left are reversed. Moreover, everything tilts when you turn your head. But with other things, one notices the reversal from side to side at once. For example, with printing, are you prepared to wear these right left reversing spectacles for several weeks without interruption? From now on, never go without this device. It looks so without the spectacles. But with the spectacles, the cactus appears to be on the other side. Ouch. Have a glass of water. Ah, now he tries another technique. He controls the movement of his hand with his eyes. This is probably the solution. Aha, he knows how to drink. For this, the spectacles do not give him any trouble. But he must see the table on the wrong side. No matter. Next this problem. Draw a line to number two and then to number three. Above and below is easy as you would expect. But when it comes to right and left, everything is badly mixed up. In a parallel experiment, a hen can be made to wear the spectacles. She cannot catch the pictures of things. They evade her every time she moves her head. Here is the subject in his everyday activity. But he does not give up. From the very beginning he tries to practice. One has to learn to see the hand where one feels it and also the whole body as represented by a shadow image. Now he begins to get it for the ball. Exercises like these are the road to success. After 14 days he can manage street traffic. What has the hen learned in the same interval without practicing nothing? She still chases the elusive images. The man, however, has mastered the world. The landscape is now stable when he moves his head, but is still reversed. However, this can be remedied. If a steep slope has to be climbed, he must pay attention to the hands and feet. The way it looks and the way it feels then cease to be contradictory. but letters and words still remain unfamiliar. After 2 months, however, the end is accomplished. Observed that he now can see things perfectly correctly. Now let us discover how things look to this man when the spectacles are removed. Which of the two figures corresponds to the arm movement? The triangle. With a naked eye, he now sees things reversed. But this apparent reversal does not last long. Now we come to the third possibility of reversing the world up and down. Here it is fundamentally different. These three men, despite the positions of their heads, all see things right side up. Right side up is determined by the gravity of the earth, not the position of the body. But this changes if a mirror device is worn, which reverses the direction of up and down. Now the sitting man sees everything upside down, and the man who was hanging head down sees everything right side up. What will a man do if he has to fence in this situation? The results of all these tests are recorded. After 5 days of practice, he reacts correctly almost 100% of the time. But even so, he still perceives his fencing partner as upside down. Can this also be remedied? Certainly. Throughout the whole body, the pull of gravity operates. All that is necessary is to emphasize it. So yes, you held your hands upward. What does this playing card look like? Oh, I see both of the heads right side up. The old way of seeing and the new way are still in conflict. Practice in which one feels not only touch but also the force of gravity are especially helpful in bringing about upright perception. Now we make a test to find out whether he sees correct. Please read. >> Uh, number one is an M and two is a W. >> Oh, think of gravity. >> Oh. Oh, no. Uh, one's a W and two's an M. After another week, when correct perceiving has been achieved, he is ready for the end of the experiment. The mirror is secretly removed from the device. The eyes are free, and now for the big test. Well, now things are upside down. This is a room which is really upside down, including the furnishings. He had learned to see it right side up. He has learned to live in a topsyturvy world. Only the force of gravity has shown him how to do so. But it took time. Now the experiment is over. Except for a few bruises, there are no serious after effects. Do you agree now that it is not at all self-evident that you should see the motion picture screen to be in front of you? All right. So I mean that is just one practical joke after another after another. Um and so we have shown another film from the same researcher uh that was silent where it was also kind of showing similar uh concepts but it's not nearly as jokey. Like the whole idea of setting it up to where you have this college student who you've pulled from the the audience and you have him there's a cactus and there's a beer and they tell them to reach for the beer and of course he reaches for the cactus is that's a practical joke of which has some scientific merit but it's messing with that guy. So yeah, you're talking about it being the jackass of science research films is is totally appropriate. Um, so what's up with that region of Austria? How come we I have two films that are from that region? >> Well, it's mountainous. They do their own thing. >> Okay. >> Their language. I mean, it's it's it's its own culture. I don't know. >> Okay. >> But they they up to some stuff. And I didn't I didn't I mean I I I I really cannot make an excuse and I don't want to denigrate my my compatriots but it's good good to that I came here to find out. >> Yeah. And it's uh u you know people are being controlled by outside forces. >> Yeah. >> It seems like um that's what's happening is the subtle manipulation by pipe organs or by uh special goggles. And so the Go ahead. I know because Oliver mentioned while the film was going that he had read that this film was actually used in like by another famous Austrian Amos Fogle who like emigrated. Oh yeah. >> And did like the he had to flee from Austria for his life and uh in in New York became this programmer for the cinemas famous cinema 16 series and he was just programming. I mean he was really early in programming art stuff and useful cinema stuff together and this was one of the films that he programmed and he seems to have had a take on that this can be read politically that it's about you know I mean in Austria after the war that there's some ways of indoctrinating people that up up is down and down is up so >> interesting so yeah my vocal story is that I before I started collecting films I took a class called film as a subvert of art which was an Amos Vogle book and so we watched a lot of amazing films in that in that class some of which I've I've later acquired uh in my collection but then when to celebrate Amos Vogle's 100th birthday uh a bunch of theaters in New York City like found some of his uh programming and tried to recreate some of the films and so they reached out to me >> to uh to borrow films films and this was certainly one of the films that uh I let the borrow uh and it was it was pretty awesome. It felt like oh you know it was come full circle like Vogle got me interested to think about film in a different way than what I was seeing like in a theater and seeing all these shorts and all this stuff and then to actually be able to contribute. So, it's one of those things that kind of makes me that's why I'm an AV geek is because of that class and you know and Vogle and yeah, looking at his notes, there's plenty of stuff in my collection that >> uh he showed >> who taught that class. >> Uh the class was taught by a professor at NC State named uh Joe Gomez, >> who uh is retired now. And this is before NC State actually had a film program. Like this was an English thing. And I was in the school of design by that point and I didn't really need to take classes cuz I already had too many Englishes and too many electives. Uh but I this one seemed such a compelling uh class that I it was amazing like we saw uh active scene with one's own eyes Stan Brackage film. Uh we saw um so many other things. Bad timing by Nicholas Rogue. Uh Joe Gomez was a big Nicholas Rogue fan. Uh Jubilee, uh I wrote a paper about Eraser Head. Um so it was really just this like me thinking about film and this is long before I started actually collecting it. Um so yeah. All right. Well, thanks so much for coming >> and for uh giving us a wish list of some films to watch. Uh we will be back tomorrow um and we'll go back to regular programming. Although there's films that you you've been picking that I probably will end up showing nonetheless. >> You're welcome and sorry. >> That's my line. Oh, that's so great. Okay. Well, thanks everybody for tuning in today. Uh if you like what you saw, you can donate. Uh thank you Richard for doing that. Thank you Jeremy for doing that. Uh but you can also just hit the thumbs up, hit the like button. 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