AV Geeks 16mm Lunch 1-23-2025

e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e I I is I hello everybody I'm skip Alzheimer welcome to the avgeeks lunchtime streaming show where we watch old 16 millimeter films and uh yeah that uh footage started off as fairly innocuous footage of uh freight trains and then uh went off the rails quite literally uh yeah so this is what's fascinating um this film came from Northern Iowa University and we've gotten some really interesting things in that collection we got some basic stuff you know um but to find uh wait something's making sound sorry I have to mute myself um there has been some unique footage in there and that's what uh we've discovered over the years is when we get a collection of films you get stuff that was made and distributed uh but then you find a original material in there and so yesterday we had a PV Vault film from 1985 and then today um was this footage and there's no other information on it except it just kind of roughly gives it just says news footage um so how did it end up there what's the provenance I don't know it did not show up in the list that they had sent me so um I've always thought that uh film archives when you have a big a bunch like a room dedicated to a bunch of films it's like a magnet or a lightning rod and other film materials or other audio visual materials make their way into that archive um that's when so for example when I had heard about the universal fire in I think in the '90s uh late '90s um they were like well it was just a bunch of film prints that's no problem I was like no I I know there's something else in there that is gone and sure enough it was all these um magnetic tape audio tracks of U recordings musicians and uh singers and bands uh Master tapes that were destroyed so there you go all right meing of fire do you smell smoke [Applause] [Applause] hey did you see that that's nice dear [Music] Jan please turn that down so your father can hear the game that's okay dear it's over [Music] do you smell smoke dear I don't know I'll check and see just take a look around you tell me what you see where is this world going what will the future be what about tomorrow guess what lies ahead will there be a brighter future or just the world our house is on fire oh dear shall we call the fire department no need I doubt whether they could get here in time to do any good [Music] dear why don't you get dressed up a little I'm sure this will draw a [Music] crowd and I didn't have my hair set when do you think the crowd will get here Tom do get out of those awful jeans oh yeah W might stop by later see the [Music] fire I think I'll wear the new blue one [Music] honey that sounds good dear [Music] this is horrible best shirts in the [Music] cleaners Jan please get dressed the people will be here [Music] soon it's no use honey she's in her own world when she has a new [Music] record we need a super Church to guide us how do look you look great honey should we go outside now not yet let's let Jan finish her record first you can't make friends by trampling on their toes people don't want no guilt and sorrow they want a brighter day tomorrow in some place they can wear their newest [Music] clothes forget the resurrection thesis we just want the words of Jesus on brotherhood and love and no more war the Miracles can be dispensed with there's no need to be incensed with arguments on Doctrine [Music] anymore it's a shame this is going to burn I wish it didn't have to dear I think it would be better with some light on it [Music] we may need the of Jesus he might make division get about B story The join the social Revolution you never made solutions to Poverty or Inner City crime broadminded n your beat dog Medics we wouldn't want to be Fanatics of persons got to keep up with the times [Music] church is we need we got [Music] organe we need a super Church to guide us forget the that divide us compromise [Music] you know it is too bad I really like this house she wasn't [Music] burning I see you standing yes son it is too bad enclosed in walls of don't you think so dear yes honey it is too bad as distant and alone eyes yeah hope it doesn't ruin my books or Jan stereo quick to catch the subtle differences never seen where the same of Separation chant the hall highest Spears beneath our shadows lonely altars we ignore yes yes it is too bad of our distinction Bing bones as they we offer silences for anguish finding nothing is to give [Music] is not just destruction biger things are plan the king of all creation is going to take the land listen what we to understand he who made this we again and has [Music] woohoo he hey [Music] [Laughter] wow okay so that was uh one that I pulled from this collection that I got from Albuquerque which had a bunch of uh religious films like supposedly 700 um yikes that was something else um the um that weird uh bean bag chair of a planet on the that was on fire um really really something else um yeah maybe we should just stop today cuz that we're not going to be able to top that [Laughter] um all right uh what do I got oh yeah um here's your brain in action [Music] imagine the coordination needed to perform these complex movements which part of the body is working [Music] hardest the real action happens inside the head [Music] the brain is only a tiny part of you it's smaller than say this cauliflower but the cauliflower doesn't do too much the brain on the other hand is in charge of everything you feel and do this control is possible thanks to a network of tiny Pathways called nerves which run beneath your skin in and all over your body tiny electrical signals are hurrying along the nerves towards the [Music] brain for example the hands touch the bar quick as a flash they send off a signal to the brain the message reads this object is cold it's round hard and smooth and we're holding on to it even though the process actually takes only a microsc we can imagine the signals Journey Through the nerves [Music] a [Applause] [Music] when the signal reaches the brain it finds a mass of nerve cells or neur neurons waiting for the message long fibers or bendes reach out to pick it up as the signal jumps from one neuron to another it crosses a synapse which in Greek means handshake it's as if the neurons shake hands as this happens the gymnast gets the message from the fingers she feels the bar there are over a billion neurons in one brain if you took a second to count each one you'd be counting for 30,000 [Music] [Music] years this process happens constantly at lightning speeds all over your [Music] body millions of electrical signals carrying messages are zooming through the nervous system and into the brain [Music] this bodytrain communication is being studied at the USC Medical Center electrodes attached to a patient's head measure the electricity in her brain is my friend going to be okay she's going to be just fine what are you doing I'm monitoring her brain wave activity see how busy the brain is now close your eyes Shana your brain is always responding to the things you see anything you feel or even the things you hear open your eyes Jana see how the brain waves change and responds to opening your eyes so the brain's first task is to receive all these Sensations from the body its second task is to process the information and send instructions back out down the nerves maybe it wants the feet to run it sends out the command the brain tells the knees went to bend the legs had a spring the hands where to land before you make any movement your brain performs a thousand calculations about the speed and direction of the move of course you don't think about how to run it just happens but no matter how quickly you move your brain has planned and even rehearsed the movement in a fraction of a [Music] [Music] second we don't think about how to speak or form words either we just open our mouths and talk when we're hungry we simply [Music] eat but without the brain we couldn't say a single word or take a bite of food even tasks like digesting [Music] food circulating the blood or breathing are carried out by the brain a special part called the brain stem takes care of many of these unconscious tasks hey Matt Matt wake up sounds are carried along nerves which lead into the auditory cortex this part of the brain hears wake up wake up hey come on Matt wake up let's go in come on let's go the visual cortex handles everything we see but when the brain has to decide what do we do now the whole cerebral cortex is involved in the decision but what if something goes wrong with this complicated system most of the time Jana is a normal healthy girl but sometimes for short periods her brain waves change dramatically this is because she has a rare brain disease called epilepsy you see how the brain wave activity changes when she's having a seizure she okay yeah she's okay she just doesn't know what's happening Jana can you hear [Music] me do you know where you are epilepsy like many other brain diseases is now controllable thanks to drugs produced by medical research but despite scientific progress there's much we still don't know about even a simple rat brain Dr Hernandez investigating these specimens has discovered the cause of a stomach disease he found out that chemicals produced in the brain actually cause stomach ulcers in humans as well as rats with this knowledge he can develop a cure like individual members on a team each part of the brain and body has a separate job to [Music] do but they must collaborate to produce results it's no good telling your feet to run if your eyes aren't looking where they're going [Music] this coordination this teamwork between millions of tiny elements is what makes the brain such an effective and marvelous part of Who We Are [Music] so 1989 um yeah that's that's pretty late um I feel like we've shown one from 1990 um but yeah that's pretty late and so here's what's crazy um in the the credits the animator it was uh Franchesca talenti who I think I know uh who teaches at UNCC Chapel Hill um or she did like I don't know five years ago eight years ago but uh yeah it's kind of interesting when you see people that you know in the credits and that's happened a couple of times recently especially with the some of the Coronet stuff that we've scanned um I found the name uh no it was actually Encyclopedia Britannica and I found the name of the woman who started the Chicago film archive that she was a uh I think script super visor on a film all right puppets it's time to watch some puppets enjoy [Music] [Laughter] is it ever fun playing football in the mud you look so silly when you tripped over the dog and fell flat in that puddle you hurt yourself a it's just a scrape you should see yourself you're so dirty what about you yeah I suppose mom will want us to get all cleaned up when you think of how you're growing it should come as no surprise the more we learn about ourselves the more we realize it helps to be HSE we're gr hewi it helps to be hwise there's lots of folks who help us grow we'll help ourselves because we know if we're happy and healthy too our bodies will do what we want them to it helps to be heal we're gr hwise it helps to be hwi [Applause] what you doing in there I'm Wasing behind my ears actually I'm playing I love getting dirty cuz I get to have a shower come on squirt I'm sliding on the bottom and making tidle wave oh boy sometimes it's more fun getting clean than it is getting dirty with the magic of a drop of shampoo or nice warm water and a bar of soap we can uncover something truly marvelous our amazing skin and our amazing skin loves nothing better than to be clean and free of dirt and germs think of all the different colors skin comes in [Music] and think how perfectly your skin fits you and how easily it can fix itself healing over a cut ever heard your skin called a birthday suit that's cuz you were wearing it on your birthday your skin has grown a lot since you were a baby the more you grow the more your skin grows with you it stretches when you stretch no matter what your shape your skin fits you perfectly take good care of it and your healthy skin will last a [Music] lifetime will you quit looking at yourself and help me fix these sandwiches oh it's true what's true my skin fits me and it's lovely a stop spinner do you ever wonder why we have hair hair yes spinner hair hair protects our skin polar bears or people hair keeps us warm the same way by trapping warm air next to our skin hair helps a lot at least for most people hair your eyelashes protects your eyes it's also in your ears there are even little hairs on the inside sides of your [Music] nose and in return for helping you all your hair asks for is to be combed and washed regularly washing hair keeps it strong and healthy and gives it what clean power your bare skin does a lot for you too for one thing it helps cool you off on a hot day or when you exercise your skin goes to work and starts to sweat sweating is your skin letting out water to help cool you [Music] down but to sweat easily your skin must be clean and not clogged with dirt you see skin is your protective barrier between everything outside and everything inside like the dust and dirt and germs in the air we don't even [Music] see just because they get on our skin doesn't mean they'll cause trouble as long as we remember to clean them right off remember a super cleaning is super important for your super skin I didn't know skin was that important I just thought it kept my blood and bones from falling out gee squirt you don't know anything pass the glass I do so know things I I know that glass is dirty and full of germs who gave you that idea my teacher she says germs can make you sick you don't even know what a germ looks like I do too it's small and black and hairy and has two mean looking red eyes I am a germ usually I'm too small for you to see but I was invited to appear as a special guest I love garbage and all kinds of dirt dirty dishes dirty hands that's where I like to live rats why does you have to wash the dishes now they'll be too clean for me well I'll go look for a kid with dirty hands and get him when he's eating dinner no no don't do it give me a break will you oh yuck kids who get all washed up make me mad cuz it's it's so hard for me to make him sick okay here you go and look at this kid good grief she's even cleaning her nails and you see that revolted table all clean and shiny [Music] this ain't no place for me I'm leaving what you do oh here but wait another chance I love scrapes and cuts I get right inside the skin and make it all red and sore I'm the kind of germ that starts [Laughter] infections oh she's washing it then using antiseptic good girl a there we go it's your turn where are you going I have to go to the bathroom the bathroom you don't have to tell everyone that's embarrassing is going to the toilet embarrassing it shouldn't be everyone has to this baby is getting her outsides cleaned of a bowel movement that came from her ins sides her bow movement was that part of the food she didn't need in it lived bacteria that helped her digest the food but the bacteria can also make her sick if they get where they don't belong that's why her mother knows it's so important to wipe carefully and from front to back especially for girls your mommy's good girl after a ball Movement we flush and then wash up for the same reason there can be bacteria on our hands too tiny for us to see we wash our hands to be really sure they're clean that way all the bacteria go down the drain where they belong it's okay squirt I'm not squirt I'm embarrassed I know how you feel but what that lady's telling you is important important maybe you're right spinner see it's like geography when we learn about the world except here we learn about the geography of our body and how to look after it then you put it that way it makes me feel better and you know what what I washed my hands after going to the bathroom way to go squirt I don't want those germs living on me I don't want you to give them to me either right we need clean [Music] power [Music] [Applause] rubing up clean [Music] power clean power clean [Music] power [Music] weing to clean it up [Applause] [Music] clean [Music] to come here ma ma not me not ma ma that's a terrific song kids but as well as clean power your skin also needs protection and not just from germs how about sunburn sunburn hurts it sure does mind you the sun is good for you but be careful you don't overdo it the freezing cold can hurt your skin too oh yes and when it's very cold you especially need to protect your feet and hands and ears boy and I never let myself be dared into putting my tongue on freezing metal ow well we're beginning to see that there are lots of things that can hurt your skin insect bites cold sores warts eczema and boils oh yes unpleasant things all of them but fortunately with the help of a doctor they can be treated with medicines and cured it's really interesting learning about skin Dr Jonas and I know I have to get cuts and scrapes clean see but what if I get a really bad cut cover the cut with something clean spinner then come over and see me sometimes a cut will need a couple of stitches I've heard of stitches but what do they do stitches bring the edges of the cut back together again so it'll heal faster but most small Cuts just need to be washed and covered with a Band-Aid to keep the dirt out there's Rags we got to go catch him that dumb dog come on bye Dr Jonas Jonas byebye there he is rag Rags come here boy here he comes oh he's filthy watch out oh Rags you're disgusting look at us we got to get cleaned up again [Music] brushing [Music] up scrubbing up [Music] [Applause] clean clean power [Music] wash [Music] it clean power clean power green to [Music] wow there were a lot of butts whole lot of butts that uh I thought the baby's butt was it but nope it was not so um yeah there was a toet Tapper in there and if you remember the food groups toet Tapper from another film in this series um which was like an acapello version but uh yeah I like it big fan all right uh this film I've been wanting to show for two weeks but I keep running out of time so we're going to watch it we're going to run long but it's okay the graphic process enjoy [Music] start with L Herrero a graphic designer and painter add the fact that he's a sports nut with a great deal of success as a designer of calendars and what you come up with is obvious a sports calendar better yet a combination of schedule and calendar something with graphic Unity schedules are so darn hard to read these little pocket size things you know so I thought that if a person had a decorative type schedule he'd want to hang on the wall and uh that way he'd know where his team was who they were playing when so on so forth and it also would become a decorative item after I had got worked out when I thought gee wouldn't it be great to be able to keep scores so that even made it doubly valuable to to you know the keep so he started into it he discussed it with anyone who'd listen his wife friends everybody thought it was a great idea especially the part about having a place to write in the scores that seemed to pull the whole thing together so he started into layouts sketches and roughs and began to show these around and that's where he had a little trouble I had few problems mainly I because I didn't have the context who who do you go to you know when you have something like this which is you know you can have a world beat of a product but if uh doesn't get the exposure or the right contacts it'll just die like anything else I don't care how good it is it has to have the exposure I I don't have the time time I had to do all this on the side as well as my regular work have my regular work which is advertising Commercial Art so many many things to be done with So Little Time sponsors Distributors contacts knocking on doors it's frustrating and finally the project got set aside it just gathered us for all this time until uh I met this Attorney John mcguin is his name through a mutual friend of ours our mutual friend told John about this calendar and he said gez I'd like to see it and uh with that he came over the studio and saw it and so he like he saids geez he says uh have you tried to sell this and I said well not really I'm sh it to a lot of people and nothing happened so he said you mind if I take it so he uh I said no go ahead be my guest so he took the calendar and uh started making the rounds of various clients sponsors possible sponsors and uh uh got a lot of good reaction quite a few of them EXP express interest in it so uh with a combination of John and myself me creating producing and John's selling was was great and that's really the way it all started we formed a company and we call ourselves sports calendar company which is appropo that's the background what it took to get the project off the ground now now let's look at how the schedule calendar was developed into the finished product start with the concept and I just felt right from the very beginning there wasn't any question in my mind that it should be Nostalgia that struck me as being apple pie uh you know Flags cross bats Eagles that Nostalgia thing and uh it just lend itself to it I was searching in my own mind for a format a good workable format I had to simplify that whole thing and that's when I came up with the baseballs round circles I completed a page of white circles just very rough form and sure enough uh it worked once once I establish a you know the concept that I think that I will work then I carry it a step further I get into more detail once I had start uh establish the concept and had worked out all the little details then it was a matter of how many pages we going to use I had worked uh worked it out where we could get all this on three sheets of paper and uh then I proceeded to make a mockup an actual dummy and I really have to work out every detail because I want to see if it's going to work or not I want to see it all worked out and I have to do it by hand when l is satisfied with the design and layout John mcgwin uses the mockup to tie down the details of sales distribution licensing and contracts and then the mechanical drawings are started for this phase of the work L and John obtain the services of Debbie Bristo a graphics artist and a skilled professional using the mockup as a guide Debbie obtains the type proofs required for the pay steps of team logos symbols numbers and other special items this work is carefully checked against the mockup and sketches for size and design and is coordinated with LEL who at this time is beginning his painting because of a special antiquing process to be used he will do the paintings on rusty metal it's a different sensation uh working on that surface I've worked on a lot of things I all kinds of surfaces Uh Wood glass metal canvas illustration board it's so much fun to paint on it really is it uh it covers uh a multiple of sins you can get away with a lot throw caution of the wind you know I mean you can just paint loose and uh feel good and relaxed and uh if you do make a mistake you can cover it up very easily on the middle once once I've traced it down I uh then I begin to paint when I do apply the paint to the middle I paint as bright as I can get it and uh I usually paint in layers the reason for doing that is so that when we do antique it a lot of the paint will start to peel away and then you get the under painting Debbie now starts the artwork for the various emblems logos numbers and other items which she will need for her mechanical drawings and paste UPS the type setting work is cut and respaced to match the emblems of each of the teams appearing on the calendar to ensure a perfect match of the emblems she works from photographs and other information supplied to her by the individual teams working through a series of negative and positive photo stats Debbie adds the special Line work required and realigns the lettering this process is continued until she arrives at an exact duplicate of the team emblems reduced to the size required for her paste UPS these are set aside for future use her job requires long hours of delicate and detailed work as she must not only do the team emblems but must make ready for paste up the numbers symbols and printed information which will appear on the finished schedule calendar this results in a mountain of negatives positives enlargements and reductions people have asked me well what what sort of pain do you use because of the uh the abuse that it takes you know it's just nothing but acrylic paint which is a plastic paint and I find it that stuff is so amazing you could just it takes an awful beating and uh I've been asked the question well does it uh do you do you use a primer before you apply the the final coat no just paint right on Raw metal and that just amazes a lot of my contemporaries they can't believe it you're kidding no try it you like it by now Debbie and L are deeply into their work e [Music] as the work goes on John and lo will review the progress as both Printing and sales must be closely coordinated with the completion of the art Debbie too meets with with L the progress of her work is reviewed and any questions she may have about the layouts are discussed in detail since the calendar features the schedule of the San Francisco Giants LEL and John request a review of the schedule by a member of the Giants organization and the Giants are extremely Cooperative in providing the up-to-date schedules and checking the accuracy of the work now it's just a matter of long hard work until Debbie has completed her past ups and lel's paintings are ready for antiquing [Music] Debbie when through will have prepared one mechanical drawing for each of the pages of the calendar these mechanical drawings will be used by the printer to prepare his printing plates L meanwhile has reached the stage where the paintings are ready for the antiquing process he's painted brightly and in layers resulting in a flat poster-like look soon to be completely changed the antiquing is extremely risky as the results are purely accidental and completely without control the fear exists that the pain paintings will be destroyed and will have to be redone but what can result makes the gamble worth taking so L gathers up the paintings and takes them to the studio of sculptor Tom Brown where under L's supervision the antiquing begins the first thing is to burn the top layer of pigment by using a relatively cold torch next the pigment is further broken down by rubbing on liquid sulfur diluted with water as the Heat and the sulfur react differently with each of the various colors the painting begins to lose its uniform appearance as more sulfur is added a hot torch is used to eat into the paint layers to different levels sometimes going all the way to the bare rusty metal there's one thing about this technique the first time we experimented with it uh it it really shook me up and you think about the hours that you've spent painting this particular painting and you take it out to Tom Brown here and he uh fires up his torch and within a minute can destroy the whole thing right before your very eyes the painting is now worked over by hand with various materials sandpaper steel wool hammers whatever is needed to gain the desired effects I more or less guide them along and point out the various areas that I want to see pitted more I try to guide them into uh giving it an all overall feeling to it and then I try to pick out certain areas that I'd like to see destroyed so to speak the torch is used again this time to highlight certain areas and to achieve a uniform appearance he dries it off and then he applies a fixative to preserve what paint is left now he just keeps working over all of to do it all at once so we can keep that same consistency going I mean to do one one week and do another one the next week you forget some of the little things that you've applied to the first one and vice versa so it's better to do them all at once that way you're more consistent they work until all of the paintings have been antiqued a compar with their appearance before the antiquing shows how much they've been changed we arrived at a point where we figured well that's enough and uh before I begin to touch it up so then it's back to the studio and uh reworking it all over again it's almost like taking a photograph and retouching it this is what it all boils down to [Music] the paintings are now completed and ready for the printer for again so we can appreciate what's been done let's look at some of these before antiquing after antiquing and after Low's retouching before antiquing after anti speaking and after retouching before the printing can be started there are two items left to be done in Debbie's case she uh has some overlays to do uh which is the uh the imprint of the word Giants there I might point out too that the the word Giants uh I had that letter by a specialist who was a very good lettering man name of Chuck Workman and he lettered it in such a way that it would fit the curvature of the baseball on the cover which is pretty hard to duplicate if you were to have it set in tight it's almost impossible so Chuck actually designed it to fit the curvature of the the ball itself on the cover this is just sort of a guid line for the printer so he will know where the type and the uh well all the type in the cover will be placed it's just a guide for him there wasn't any uh National League logo uh to my knowledge so I decided to create one really for the reason that it would be a nice added addition to the rest of it which has the old look to get a clear sharp reproduction of this logo l has the Blackline drawing reproduced on film the color work is then done separately under this film on illustration board so that when he is through he has the color on the board and the line work on the film these are handled separately by the printer now the next step was to select the color now if you can recall the Mechanicals are all black and white all the emblems the logos and uh things of that nature so what we had to do was color key this and by color keying I mean we have a chart a color chart which is coded in numbers and that's the way the whole process was done on an overlay indicating just by numbers what color was to go in this design area now the printing can begin the first step is the making of the printing plates The Originals of the colored artwork are shot by a special camera through various colored filters mechanical drawings in other black and white work are shot through a special Amber or combination filter when this is done there will be one negative for each of the separated colors one for the separated Blues one for the separated Reds one for the yellows and one for the blacks before these negatives are used to engrave the printing plates they are carefully inspected and are retouched by hand to ensure an exact match to the original artwork the plates are engraved and set into the press in this order black blue or cyan red or magenta and yellow the colors are imprinted onto the paper the white paper is first printed black then the blue is added then the red and then the yellow black black black blue black blue red black blue red yellow the printing is now started [Music] [Music] as the printing is done proofs are constantly pulled by the pressmen these proofs are checked for proper density of colors registration and quality everyone gets into the act as the highest quality must be obtained [Music] it was beautiful beautiful to see because they came so close to the original it wasn't funny it was just beautiful and that's that's what you anticipate that's what you look forward to and that's what it's all about so after checking it over very carefully I put my approval on it and I okay that press sheet and what that means is the rest of the 50,000 calendars have to come up to that sheet that I proved when enough copies have been printed The Binding can be started the pages are first cut to sides they are then scored for folding next they are machine folded and finally they are placed in a machine which Cates the pages binds them with staples and trims them to finished size they are then packed into boxes the calendar is shipped to the various distributions outlet and is also sold at the Ballpark the Giants Candlestick Park to launch this momentous occasion we had selected the San Francisco Boys Club to introduce the calendar to the public wow at times you began to or I did wonder whe it was worth it all would it ever become a realization you know here you have a finished product it's being sold it's printed people are buying it you know it's pretty damn rewarding when you know that you've created something and uh it it was nice enough or at least the public thinks it's nice enough to want to buy it I can hardly wait to start next year's oh the lineup for the Giants calendar was as follows Mo Herrero and artist John mcguin and business partner Debbie Bristo at mechanical drawings Chuck Workman at special lettering Tom Brown at sculptor and antiquing Omnicom at typ setting Peninsula lithography at Printing and binding John tedi at Giants representative to San Francisco boys club at Sals and Renee mcin at Nar produced and distributed by Film [Applause] Z well that was epic um and so when I started taking graphic design classes in late 80s uh we were at this point where desktop desktop publishing had happened the Macs were beginning to roll out um um with Laser Printers and be able to start creating some graphic stuff with uh Laser Printers and um but we were also then also making these composition boards um and uh so there was this we were on both ends of it and those who in my classes that did not learn how to use the graphic software were screwed they were totally screwed uh because and that I did learn because I was working at a computer lab and I was teaching uh grad students how to use the software so I learned how to use a very earli version of Photoshop when it was called image Styler um page maker illustrator uh all these very very very early um graphic software and um so yeah it's fascinating to see how much this guy went through uh and the number of people involved to create this product and at no point did he talk about um getting permission um and that's the thing nowadays that many of you mentioned in the comments so there you go thanks everybody for tuning in today it was kind of Epic kind of Epic um but it was great to see you thanks for your comments thanks for your thumbs UPS your likes those are very helpful for us uh also you can donate uh via the super thanks button ko-fi.com avgeeks patreon.com avgeeks those are great ways to support us also we've been uploading 24 films a day one an hour and we're just going to keep going until we hit 10,000 that's the plan 10,000 films online um and Al that number will also include the shows that we did so anyways love you guys we will see you tomorrow Friday everybody take care bye