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okay all right hey i am hoping that we are live all right hello everybody apologize for the uh late getting started uh zoomed through some curveballs at us as it does yes it does want to do uh so hopefully we're all here uh welcome everybody to av geeks at the hunt library not at the hunt library still this uh today actually marks two years uh this month not being at the hunt library uh and every semester i say i'm optimistic that we'll be back at the hunt library next semester i've been wrong so far but i'm still saying it uh i'm trevor thornton from nc state university libraries this is our 15th semester of this series partnering with partnering ncsu folks with raleigh's av geeks to discuss vintage educational and classroom films skip alzheimer who have you seen founder of av geeks is an nc state alum and for the last few decades has been collecting films made throughout the last century mostly 16 millimeter educational training and other sorts of how-to movies he currently houses over 36 000 such films the av geeks archive here in raleigh and shares them as stock footage for films and exhibits as research material and during public events such as this one we have uh over 200 of av gates compilations available for check out from the libraries you can also visit av gates.com or search for av geeks in youtube or at archive.org as i said my name is trevor and in addition to being a librarian and other things i'm also a native of the state of florida and it just so happens that today we're going to be discussing florida and watching some strange films about my strange home state and so without any further ado i will pass it off to skip to start us off thank you trevor uh zoom again is doing weird stuff on my computer um hold on i was all minimized um so i'm suffering from a cold so i might cough some and that's why my voice is all scratchy and weird it is a traditional thing uh here with skip and av geeks which is why i tend to do things inside and watch old movies uh so today uh trevor you and i have done some shows together with at the hunt library mostly ones related to world's fairs or uh disney world uh because you're a big aficionado of the magic kingdom uh and so today's uh you said i wanted to do something about florida my home state and so i threw a bunch of titles at you and you picked really some wonderful ones uh that kind of touch upon different things and so i'm kind of excited to work with you on this because this is uh opportunity to watch some things that uh that i haven't seen uh or haven't seen in a while and um your take on it's gonna be really fascinating uh this first film is uh called the seminals of everglades and this was made in 1940 uh so this is before world war ii uh and it was made by the lorelei tobacco company people who made old gold cigarettes so this is kind of a glorified ad for old gold cigarettes but it's also a travel log and the first two films will be watching our travelogues um visiting florida and touching about different things and so this one is looking at the people of the seminole people um in the everglades talking about their lives and it's also kind of going to talk about uh what the current what the position was regarding indians uh how they felt like uh pushing them onto reservations was in their best interest of course in hindsight we know that's not necessarily the case but uh this is something that is just reflecting what was the popular opinion at the time um trevor you had an interesting uh conspiracy theory about this we may or may not talk about uh but here is uh seminals of the everglades enjoy with shadowy and often ominous life the seminole knows the everglades with the profound intimacy his paddles broke the stillness of the swamp more than a century ago he took refuge here from american troops who tried for 40 years move him to oklahoma but neither his lensless enemy nor the equally relentless swamp would break it [Music] left here to perish the seminole had to learn how to live in the great swamp and he has become its master in this grim and shadowy world all creatures hunt and are hunted and only the quick and the strong can endure [Music] with knowing hands he pulls his way homeward in the late afternoon instinctively alert to both the wonders and the dangers of his world [Music] criminal's independence of spirit is legend he fought a great knit to a standstill for half a century to remain free he learned to survive in the swamp he is proud aloof unused but in the indians culture there is a symbol that spells peace good will brotherhood tobacco has all went these good things in the life of the indians it has always meant the softening of hearts and it has not lost its meaning today the indian gave tobacco to the world this man remembers when a ceremonial pipe smoked in council signified the presence of a virtuous bond between men when columbus came he found the indian smoking with a hollow fork stick called tobago it was from this primitive pipe the toboggle and not from the leaf itself the tobacco got its name and today the seminole borrows the cigarette from civilization for he finds it serves him well [Music] the sewing machine is the second device they have accepted from the white man's world [Music] and operated models are found in virtually every chicky in the everglades this instrument has become the vehicle for their original art they saw brilliant geometric designs on narrow bands and worked them together to make striking skirts [Music] civilization's most extraordinary gift has been the air boat this flat-bottomed craft has endowed the indian with the power of the bird and the fish driven by an airplane propeller the boat cannot foul in the weeds it travels 40 miles per hour in one foot of water as smoothly as over glad the headlight is the fourth device he accepts it gives him a strange hypnotic power when he glides over the swamp in search of frogs the light holds them transfixed freezes them as the spear darts among them and brings in as many as a hundred in one catch frog's legs are a delicacy in demand by the great resort hotel they bring a good price and help the seminole earn a living but he wouldn't consider eating one on saturday afternoon the froggers air boat will appear in the tomiami canal today he has business in the white man's world [Music] my army in the seminoles language it means literally very large and indeed it is the largest place he has ever seen or dreamed of he comes here to the fisheries to sell his frogs with his business done he walked through the city bravely contemplating this place of commerce and concrete there are moments in this place called very large in which he doesn't feel so small and all alone but mostly the seminole in the city feels trapped uncertain lost [Music] one must be wary for surely there is more danger here than in the great swamp yes this most self-contained and fearless of mortals treads softly among the tall buildings confounded by the restrictions he finds on every side today the seminole is again a haunted man but now it is the engineer and the farmer who penetrate the great swamp their drainage canals lacerate the landscape their torches burn off the stubborn brush their grumbling tractors ready the soil for planting yes the everglades are disappearing where there was wilderness yesterday today there are photos tomorrow crops each year thousands of acres succumb to the white man's genius citrus fruits glimmer in the warm sunshine hanging heavy on the bar this is gold for the white man but for the seminole it is a symbol marking the twilight of his world along the tourist routes of south florida one may discern the decay of a proud way of life but even in decay the seminole displays the courage and dignity intrinsic to it [Music] alligator wrestling is extremely hazardous there could be a faithful slip before the reptile is stroked to sleep yes even in decay he displays the qualities of a tragic hero the force which once was his bitter enemy has today become the seminole's great friend the united states office of indian affairs through its agency at fort myers offers the tribe positive assistance the superintendent an indian himself is the instrument of the government's patient and enlightened policy he can only offer assistance only invite the indian to live on a reservation economically the government is endeavoring with much success to launch the seminole in the cattle business at big cypress reservation for once there was swamp where once a hunting and fishing culture was possible the seminole is reaping the harvest of the range this branding was an historic occasion it marked the division of profits and the repayment of the government's flow of the enterprise [Music] later in open meeting the government's policy was reviewed and approved then the leader of his people the christian minister called upon them to face their changing world he read in the great transition through which the seminole is passing the promise of a better life he saw the need for spiritual help as well as for the great gifts of government but this too would come to the swamp people he saw a vision of promise poised above the sawgrass and the whispering water he saw hope in the baha'i o key [Music] all right um can you hear me i can can you hear me yes all right for the audio the doing this via zoom is is thousands of little pieces that have to fall together and so sometimes i forget so sorry about that try to be more diligent so um what about this you picked this film uh and you actually uh created the excerpts like there's the film itself is much longer um so what about these uh interested you uh these particular scenes well uh i thought it would it would be good to start by talking about the seminals a pretty significant part of uh history of the history of florida and i think there's maybe some confusion about who the seminals are when the spanish showed up in the 1500s there were numerous tribes that they encountered um they colonized the state and through very familiar process of disease and just brutality most of those original uh tribes were wiped out essentially or it ceased to exist as tribes individuals uh went on their way kind of settled in the middle of the state um but by the time the spanish gave up the state to uh the english there weren't tribes settled tribes in the state um what happened was that as the english colonists came down to what is now georgia and alabama to start their plantations and farms uh they kind of forced out the people that were there uh which were a bunch of different tribes um notably the creeks uh the creeks um and these people that were displaced by the english colonists made their way down to florida and all these uh they came together with people that were still there and kind of developed the seminal identity um from that so it's not to it's not the same they're not like the original inhabitants of florida but they were the people that have been there the longest um of the people that are still there uh then uh as you know we know how the history went uh there the indian removal act happened uh there were wars there were three separate what they called seminal wars which were just uh actions by the us army to remove the seminoles from florida uh the what the result of that was that most of the seminoles were relocated to reservations in oklahoma and became the seminal nation of oklahoma but a small percentage of them maybe like 10 went down to the everglades uh and just kind of hit out there and were able to live you know their own life without being disturbed mostly because nobody wanted to go into the everglades because uh it's a treacherous place to be um and then that group stayed there for about 100 years and then around the time this film was made uh some of them started moving on to reservations in florida uh which this film gets into and this is my conspiracy theory um and the ones that the people that moved under the reservations eventually became the seminal tribe of florida and the people that chose to stay in the everglades became the mikazuki tribe and those are the two recognized tribes that still exist in the state um and i just uh and i picked this because i just wanted i felt like it was important to uh acknowledge that there were people there they were the the first people around and um and just to talk a little bit about the everglades which is a part of the state that fascinates me um and so the you know they talk a little bit well it's interesting since this is a sponsored by a tobacco company they do talk about the the legacy that indians have brought us tobacco they brought us you know this wonderful wonderful thing uh but then also this film kind of talks about like how the everglades are being trained and being you know wrangled into productive uh farmland um and i think uh one of the things you mentioned to me before was the idea that you know you how do you reconcile the everglades and each of these films kind of deal with it in different ways right yeah the the i think the uh ever since people's uh americans started moving down in florida and trying to settle it the everglades were seen as a problem that needed to be solved and the view that people had of the everglades were that they were a what would be a very nice plot of farmland that is unfortunately floods a lot the reality of it is that the everglades is actually a very wide very shallow river that occasionally dries up right so its natural state is wet and not dry uh but there's all the state the powers that be were always have always been obsessed with draining the everglades and they were successful to some extent uh but until it floods right so the everglades is all the water in the from the middle of the state flows down into lake okeechobee which is the big blue hole if you look at the map of florida there's a big blue hole in the state that's lake okeechobee lake okeechobee overflows and goes into the everglades and all the water flows down south out into the florida bay that has to happen that water has to go somewhere there's high elevation on the sides there's basically just like a ditch in the middle of the state and all the water has to go somewhere uh when they dig these canals to drain the everglades and they damn the lake okeechobee it only works until the water comes back and the water always wins um and there have been several cases where there have been hurricanes the levees have broken and this has led to uh massive death and destruction um but they keep doing it and they're still doing it they're still growing growing sugar in the oven what used to be the everglades you can't really call the everglades anymore because they have pretty much successfully drained uh i think it's like three quarters of it i think the the part that is now everglades national park is just like maybe 20 of what it used to be interesting all right so uh that first film was sponsored by a um uh tobacco company and this next film is another sponsored film brought to us by the fine people at gulf oil it's called uh you've got to see florida and this is more of a tourist bent um but it's also a travelogue and it kind of talks about some of the natural resources and the flora and the fauna and um and about the water so here's you've got to see florida i'm going to do a series of transitions here to make sure that we have audio [Music] it's a bird it's a man it's a lovely girl no it's florida land of strange contrasts land of mysterious everglades and bright beaches land of glamorous gaiety and land of peaceful serenity [Music] land of tropical sunsets that provide golden halos land of clear blue mornings where the seabirds glide silently overhead on a whisper smooth offshore breeze land of nature's magic where porpoises are fed by hand and young pelicans dig deep into that famous beak that holds food enough for a week florida where you get school credit for learning to water ski since 1513 when florida's first tourist falcidae leon dropped some gossip about the fountain of youth countless other tourists have been searching for it youth that is although papaya juice may not brighten the eye and quicken the step for all time it is good and good for you small wonder that so many ex-tourists now live the year-round and very permanent-looking wigwams and continue the search for youth from truly gracious surround florida is so many things few of us really get to know her she is for instance an agricultural career girl well on her way to blooming booming success crisp green salads by the acre not only help make florida a healthful place to live but form an important bulwark to her ever-expanding economy these salads are for the northern winter market much of florida is lavishly lush and fertile sugarcane grows higher than an elephant's eye and modern harvesting devices and the famous sunshine are combining to build the sugarcane industry into big business the whole everglades region of florida is topped with 10 feet or more of rich rich top soil called muckland the catch is much of the top soil is topped with water so huge drainage ditches are cut across the florida everglades reclaiming thousands of acres of fertile muck land at a time once reclaimed this land is so lush and fertile that as the saying goes you plant then stand back out of the way grasses originally imported from india helped reclaim the land it's grass with a will to live something like that crabgrass that gives you trouble in your front lawn here's an odd system of planting roots and tops and all are spread over the reclaimed land rollers merely push the green grass close to the earth and nature does the rest roots spring out searching for the fertile soil at the nodes the joints of the grass and soon one stalk becomes many in three to six months zoom there's a cattle boom more cattle more tons of luscious beef steak to the acre than mighty texas ever managed find new breeds and cross breeds of cattle grazing and growing on the man-made pampers that a few short years ago was swamped that's rusty lusty up-and-coming young miss florida she's good to know and she's the backbone of florida's newfound prosperity [Music] on the other hand there's the dignified dowager princess florida you'll meet her when you visit the state capitol in tallahassee the only dixie capital the yanks failed to capture in the war between the states this miss florida is a bit austere and loaded with tradition you meet her when you visit st augustine and knock on the door of the oldest house in america enter and stroll through the centuries-old but still lovely gardens since the 16th century 14 families have lived here and each altered and enlarged the structure the oldest house is a living part of history where visitors can search and find marks of american progress you are with the austere lady florida when you wander through the moulding ruins of all forts this one castillo de san marcos was designed by a french architect but at various times both the english and the spanish manned the gunports if you happen to be a small boy here's the place to fire up your imagination and look out the sea and fire an ancient five pounder at an imaginary pirate but of all the florida's there are the warm mother florida is perhaps best to know the natural beauties of the sun setting behind palm trees the royal poinsiana or flame trees so beautiful there's an annual festival in their honor and the poinsettia the christmas flower and the white-tailed deer that wraith-like wander across the hummocks of the everglades and the limpkins as graceful as the name limpkin and the anhinga or snakebirds that swim like a snake and have to put themselves out to dry before they can fly again the florida sunshine dries the wings so fast you can see them change color [Music] and crystal pools so bright and clear that common bluegills look like jewels i know i know and the parrot jungles where any visitor can pose with a garland of friendly flower-like birds where some of the birds look like pirates the gorgeous gay old rascals like pirates sometimes sail off on rainbow wings to raid the neighbors fruit trees [Music] and we haven't even visited miami university this campus extends far beyond the buildings some classes are even held under water what a place to go to school and study with a sea breeze rippling the pages of a textbook nor have we visited the famous brock singing tower or heard the carillon but as i say miss florida is all things to all people she's young and sprightly and she's dignified and beautiful you have to see her and meet her in person she'll welcome you but even when you see her and meet her you may not believe what you see so um this this was post world war two and um it looks like florida's doing great great this is uh what year was this spill 52 50 something i believe so i believe it was early 50s this is right around the time it was right around the time when they were planning the interstate highway system um and this was as you said produced by gulf oil and the big change uh that was happening was that people were driving to florida regular people were driving to florida to go on vacation and see what there was to see in florida which at this point the big draw was nature which is not the case anymore i mean it still is for most people or some people but that isn't what they advertise as soon as uh we'll see the next film what happened um but yeah the focus of this film was all birds flowers dolphins um and like if you look at the the tourist attractions that were built around this time were all like silver springs wikileaks cypress gardens there are all these like botanical gardens usually built around the spring uh and that was that's what was there there weren't really any like amusement parks um it was just a lot of a lot of nature and water skiing so that a parrot uh parrot island i believe is the name of the tourist trap uh tourist attraction sorry um that shows up in a lot of home movies in the um 50s 60s 70s i love parrots parrots are not native to florida but everywhere you go into these places there are always parrots from cause whatever uh we had one we had a place uh where i grew up in sarasota called jungle gardens and that was like a big draw it was the parrots and uh yeah parrots seem to do fine until it gets cold it does get cold in florida despite uh what people think and so the parrots will eventually either have to go inside if they live at a zoo or they will just fly away um so this is you know let's say 10 years later or you know 12 years later um it seems like there's more uh uh basically that tamiya of the everglades that we talked about before they they're putting more of a foothold um with agriculture but it is ironic that the what you said that those main tourist attractions were basically look at our nature look at our flora and our fauna even though some of it's fake right and i don't think they uh back then i don't think people really put a value on the the nature in the middle of the state there's a lot of value placed on the like the flowers that you'd see and like the sea birds that's all like along the coast right um people were generally afraid of the middle of the state uh alligators and uh venomous snakes and things like that and they didn't really place a lot of value on that kind of nature uh in the same way that they did with the more picturesque nature right um so the last film we're gonna watch is uh was easily the first film that you wanted to watch um this is uh the magic of walt disney world and this is a film that was distributed in schools and um it got shown a lot because i think substitute teachers who weren't clear on the lesson plans of the teacher they were substituting would just go to the library and pull this i'm gonna oh we'll just watch a film about disney world um and this is really uh blatant advertising for walt disney world um i don't i didn't did you get a year on this trevor because i couldn't yes and uh i think this is like 1972 or 73 somewhere around there it's very early disney world opened in 1971 so it's super early some of the things uh they show a pic a a shot of the haunted mansion i don't think it's actually running yet and like oh that's fascinating yeah i think like space mountain wouldn't open for another year or two after this and so i do have one that's uh about uh disneyland and i do have one it's about epcot as well so they did kind of cover the different uh kingdoms that they had at that time uh and i should just say that uh we're risking it here we don't know if uh disney's copyright hammer's gonna come down on us but we're just gonna run wild uh this is certainly fair use and for educational content and uh criticism and we're not showing the entire film so we we are allowed to do it now the robots that uh youtube might think otherwise so here's the magic of walt disney world enjoy open up a new world one of the first places they set foot upon was a bit of land that is now the state of florida of usa there have been quite a few changes since then and the new world has come a long way but now squarely in the middle of the very same bit of land another new world has been opened up walt disney world [Music] [Applause] [Music] walt disney world is more than just a place it is a complete vacation destination where guests may stay as long as they like and here even a hotel is an adventure at the polynesian village there is a leisurely atmosphere of the south seas and trade winds the great ceremonial house dominates the scene in a setting that is lushly tropical and for each guest there is a feeling of coming to a tiny island in the south pacific to stay and play [Music] a south seas island is only one stop in walt disney world but getting around here is another fun experience [Music] sleek high-speed monorail trains silently whisk travelers around the seven seas lagoon to one of the wonders of this new world the dramatically different contemporary resort its unique 14-story tower building is flanked by wings of bayside rooms one of the most unusual features of this ultra-modern resort is the manner in which monorail passengers arrive entering high in the air they are taken right into a spectacular open mall lobby called the grand canyon concourse the concourse which is actually the hotel's fourth floor gets its name from the colorful 10 story mural which covers all four sides of the central elevator shaft truly a modern work of art this mural is made up of over 18 000 individually hand painted and fire glazed ceramic tiles [Music] from the lobby inside to the activities and surroundings outside everything is keyed to the contemporary theme and there is a feeling of now of today [Music] from the hotels the monorail tracks lead directly to the real heart of walt disney world the magic kingdom this of course is the place that most clearly reflects the man walt disney and the things he held to be of value the wonders of nature the fantasies of childhood the spirit of america with nostalgia for the past and faith in the future and above all a sense of humor and fun the appeal of the magic kingdom will always be to the imagination of every guest young or old or in between but in the rest of walt disney world there is still more to come recreation of many kinds to choose from there are two 18-hole championship golf courses whose magnificent greens and fairways can challenge the skill of a professional yet give pleasure to the average player or even the lowliest dufferin [Music] for those who prefer their sport on the water as well as in it there is plenty of room for almost every imaginable kind of aquatic pond [Music] even though walt disney world is open to all who wish to come there is a private area set aside for a special purpose [Music] over 7 500 acres of land and water have been designated as a conservation area for the creatures native to this region still as primitive as it was 500 years ago this environment will remain untouched and undisturbed by man [Music] in walt disney world there is another wilderness set aside for the use of guests who enjoy the outdoors the fort wilderness campgrounds there are accommodations for 800 campers trailers or tents each site equipped with all the modern facilities yet in a natural setting of piney woods and stands of cyprus here every member of the family can find activities to his or her own taste [Music] uh [Music] after a full day of outdoor fun comes the time to rest and relax a while because there is still more to come twilight is a magic hour in walt disney world and the sun touching the cypress is the signal import wilderness to light the campfire it is time to gather round and join in the song and dance darkness descending in walt disney world is perhaps the most beautiful time of all and the appearance of everything begins to change this is also a time for guests to set out on an evening of unusual experiences in dining and entertainment [Music] the climax of all aquatic shows in walt disney world is the electrical water pageant this colorful parade is performed every evening after dark and is clearly visible from all the hotels [Music] there could hardly be anything more romantic than a late supper and dancing on a privately charted cruise over the calm waters of bay lake but to literally top off the evening the top of the world lounge of the contemporary resort the highest spot in walt disney world is the place to go [Music] [Applause] god [Music] um [Music] uh [Music] what a beautiful day [Music] [Applause] [Music] the foundations of walt disney world were the dreams of one man the sharing of those dreams with others has truly created a new world and its reality is living proof that dreams really do come true [Music] so that was just a straight up advertisement for walt for uh walt disney world absolutely dreams really do come true that was great that's still it's still great uh the thing that sticks out to me having you know i grew up going to disney world and you know i haven't been for a little while but uh like i said this was made right after it opened and what you can see from those like aerial shots is how there's it's just like they just built stuff on top of nothing right it's just like a lot of empty land there are no trees if you go there now there are trees because they they cleared the land and planted new trees and they've all grown up so now it looks like it's been there forever but look at this you can tell that it was just totally uh just plopped there in the middle of nothing there's really there is really nothing there if you leave the area and you go not the direction where there's where they built like sea world and stuff you go the other way there's still nothing right and uh yeah it's just amazing that lake um i just was reading about this the lake where they're doing all their riding on their catamarans and their uh paddle boats and everything that's a real lake um it was a it's a sinkhole actually it was originally a sinkhole and before disney world was there it's a place where people would go and swim uh but the problem with it was that it was a real lake and as such as a lake in florida the water was brown kind of like the water in the rivers in eastern north carolina it's brown it's supposed to be that way i think it's from cypress roots um but they wanted the lake but they didn't want it to be brown so they pumped all the water out of the lake dredged all the roots and everything on the bottom of the lake until they got to the sand raised the level so that none of the other water from anywhere else would flow back into the lake and put all the water back in and then they had this beautiful lake that you could do your water skiing and everything on um did they die at blue they didn't diet blue it's not a it's not a mini golf uh but uh but they have they showed the that little the part where they say they're preserving nature you know there's like a nature preserve part of it um you know i'll give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they really are preserving nature but uh one major function of that area is flood control like i said it's wet it gets rainy so and they don't want any of the that water going into the nice water and they also don't want any of the hotels to flood so there's a really elaborate uh system of canals and locks that keep the water level of the fake or half fake lakes uh even and pump everything out there where the alligators live there are alligators in disney world right they show up once in a while was there not a child that was uh killed by an alligator within the last five ten years yes yes the polynesian at the polynesian hotel kid got too close to the water and it happens alligators are everywhere they're not everywhere it's not like you go to florida and you see alligators are everywhere but any body of water in florida could possibly have an alligator because all the water is connected yeah um i love it uh what were other things that stood out about this film as you being a fan of florida and of course of disney world well i had to i have to apologize because uh we had to edit this for length and the part that we edited was probably the best part of the movie which is the part with all the rides in it um but that part is not that much different than disneyland in california we wanted to show the the florida part of it um they built disneyland uh they had enough land for the park and then a bunch of other stuff built up around it motels and things um they built disney world they didn't want that to happen so they bought this huge huge uh parcel of land they actually bought it in a bunch of different parcels secretly um so what sticks out is how much of that how much of what you're seeing there is like real florida you know if you look beyond what they built you can see real florida there um but i also like the fake stuff the contemporary resort the monorail driving into the contemporary hotel that's still exciting to this day it's still yes i i totally concur with that i remember that as a kid being that was just a really exciting thing yeah uh they they haven't really done i think they planned on you know having those monorails go everywhere you know as they expanded and built new parks the models go over that never happened and i think the reason was that uh they had i i read recently they had to um the pylons of those monorails stand on because of the way the ground is you know they're sinkholes like i said uh depending on where you put one it would sink to a different level everywhere so all those pylons are made specifically to be in this place where they are um so i think building any more monorails they decided was prohibitively expensive so now if you want to get anywhere they have buses which is not nearly as cool no it's not definitely not and you can't get that kind of uh quality entertainment at a dinner show anymore um so where's uh some good resources uh you did some research for this but i think this has always been an ongoing thing for you to do research on disney world and the ramifications of the tourist industry and do you have any good resources that you can recommend to our viewers of places that are great places to look or books to read or i've recently re-read a great book um not 100 about disney world but about the history of florida called finding florida which is great it's i mean i don't want to uh i don't want to anger any you know people that love the state of florida but it's a good book to read if you're suspicious or dubious of the merits of florida um uh i recommend that and there's a book i haven't had right next to me uh because i've been looking at it called reality land which is all about disney world and it's all kind of like uh the stuff you really want to know about disney world like uh people being you know seriously injured on rides uh you know all of the strange quasi-legal things that the disney company did to uh basically become their own government yes they they are their own municipality in florida so they can approve building permits that that's something i had heard that them in competing with universal studios universal studio studios had to go through the whole process with an actual municipal board but disney had their own board so there was like yeah sure sounds great sounds great that's right and the municipality that they control is called the reedy creek water management district so the whole purpose of their having being a municipality i keep coming back to it is to control the water because that is uh the the most boring and yet most crucial part of running uh a municipality in florida is getting rid of the water um [Music] and they kind of they kind of held the state don't say held a hostage but they kind of give an ultimatum to the state legislature when they were planning on building disney world they're like we're going to build this great thing but we need you to change a few laws to let us basically do whatever we want and then they later they built us a town celebration florida which was a place where you could go and live like a planned community um and they also control that so part of the part of the thing of their having a being a government is that nobody can vote they're they're a government with no citizens right nobody lives there but then they built this town where people do live but somehow they were still able to make it so they can't vote or have any control over where they live because uh yeah that's disney yeah and it changed disney it's there's you can really mark disney world as being the point where florida changed and everything started to be more like disney world from then on uh anything new that was built was built to look like something fake you know look like a castle or a you know right well i guess there's that saying that when the giant mouse sneezes florida says god bless you that's right so um thank you trevor for joining us today man i love geeking out on uh aspects of florida and about you know some of these issues that they've been trying to you know that the the people that have invaded florida have like worked on trying to wrangle the everglades and deal with the water and you know create this environment that's safe for tourists but not necessarily for indigenous people right um we never we never discussed the floor-to-man phenomenon but uh well maybe maybe we'll do it again yeah you can look that up on google yeah all right um so the next show is we believe the next show is april 22nd right all right yeah and i think we believe that it will be featuring our friend jason evans growth uh from learning spaces and services department at the library yes uh and possibly we're trying to maybe see about doing an outside live event we are still trying to figure this out yeah i i'm all for trying to do something outdoors uh but in a covered space so it's a little bit darker uh so it would it would mean that we would have to do this show later and it also would mean that maybe we wouldn't be able to do it live uh over the internet i don't know yeah we haven't done we haven't done a live show like i said in two years so yeah new thing but uh stay tuned for details oh trevor thanks again man it's always fun doing doing these with you and um everybody have a great rest of your weekend and um i guess we'll see you soon bye everybody thanks you